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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Motions Requested



Hi Alfred,

Please add the following to PHY motion queue:

 

  • Move to add the following into the 11bn SFD?
    • Remove the requirement, for UHR STAs, to receive the forward-looking EHT ER SU preamble in the UHR RX procedure

 

Result: Passed Unanimously
Supporting Doc: [11-25/109r0]

 

Thanks,

Lin

 

From: You-Wei Chen <ywchen77115@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2025 11:32 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Motions Requested for COBF

 

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Dear Alfred,

please add the following to PHY motion queue:

1. Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:      

  • The first BSS color in U-SIG indicates the sharing AP and the second BSS color in U-SIG indicates the shared AP in UHR MU PPDU for Co-BF and Co-SR transmission.

           Result: Passed Unanimously
           Support Doc: [11-25/399r1]

2. Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:      

  • For Co-BF and Co-SR transmissions using UHR MU PPDU, TPE is fixed as 20us.
    • nominal_packet_padding =20us and a factor =4.

           Result: Passed Unanimously
           Support Doc: [11-25/399r1, 11-25/401r0]


Best Regards,
You-Wei Chen

 

 

 

Junghoon Suh <000017d35818e7c0-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 2025311 週二 上午11:22寫道:

Hello, Alfred

Could you please add the following 2 to the motions list (all based on 11-25/397r3)?

  1.  Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:      

           Do you support that in a COBF transmission, the per-user-UHR-SIG information of the BSS having the largest NSS for a 

           scheduled STA (largest being across the STAs of both BSSs) is sent first in the UHR-SIG User field followed by the 

           per-user-UHR-SIG information of the other BSS?

            - Within each BSS, the user information of the larger N_SS user is sent first

 

           Passed Unanimously

           Support Doc. : [11-24/171r26, 11-25/381r0,389r0]

 

        2. Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:      

         

            Do you support that the order of user information in the Sync frame is aligned with the order of users in the UHR-SIG User field

            for CoBF transmission?

 

           Passed Unanimously

           Support Doc. : [11-25/389r0, 11-25/399r0]

 

 

Regards

Junghoon Suh


From: Sameer Vermani <000039a3734fa32e-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: March 11, 2025 12:37 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Motions Requested for COBF

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Please also add the following 3 to the motions queue (all based on document 11-25/0381r0)

 

1.      Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:

·       The COBF PPDU’s GI+LTF support and signaling is as follows:

§  Support of following GI+LTF combinations to be mandatory at both AP and STA

·       2x LTF +0.8us, 2xLTF+1.6us, 4xLTF+3.2us

§  Additionally, 2x LTF+0.8us GI usage for a COBF pair is exchanged at the group formation stage

·       Each AP conveys if it can use 2x+0.8us GI for this COBF group or not

·       No further last-minute negotiation before COBF transmission

§  Invite frame from sharing AP dictates the LTF+GI combination keeping the shared AP’s ability to use 2x LTF+0.8us in mind

 

Results of SP were  41Y/12N/32A

 

2.      Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:

·       BSS ordering of per-user SIG fields in the preamble of a COBF transmission

·       In the cases where the user fields of either BSS may go first while preserving the Nss in non-increasing order, the user fields of the sharing BSS go first

 

Passed unanimously

 

3.      Move to add the following in the 802.11bn SFD:

There shall be a frame-exchange before the COBF sounding between the two APs which will at-least serve the following goals:

·       Unavailability/decline indication from the responding AP

·       Used by responding AP to refuse participation in a COBF sounding process

·       Exchange of sounding Nss capability of the STAs being sounded in the two BSSs

·       The minimum sounding Nss capability of the participating STAs in each BSS will be exchanged

·       Note: Design of the frames is TBD by MAC group

 

Passed unanimously

 

 

Regards,

Sameer

 

 

From: Sameer Vermani
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2025 6:36 AM
To: asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx; STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Motions Requested for COBF

 

Hi Alfred,

Please add the following PHY motions (all reached consensus in PHY adhoc without any objections based on document 11-25/0083r1) to the motions queue:

  1. Move to add the following to the 802.11bn SFD
    • 802.11bn defines the concept of a sync-reference AP and a sync-follower AP for CFO correction in COBF
      • Sync-follower AP pre-corrections needed
        • For sequential sounding:
          • All the NDPs sent by it during sounding phase that are sent for the purpose of sounding the STAs in the other BSS (Mandatory)
          • For the NDPs sent by it for sounding the STAs in its own BSS, it is recommended but not mandatory that the sync follower AP pre-correct those NDPs
        • For joint sounding
          • All the NDPs sent by it during the sounding phase (Mandatory)
        • The COBF sync and COBF PPDU during transmission phase using the same frequency pre-correction value as the sounding phase, when it is the sharing AP
      • Sync-reference AP does not pre-correct during transmission phase when it is the sharing AP

 

  1. Move to add the following to the 802.11bn SFD
    • The sync-follower AP shall use the NDPA frame sent by the sync-reference AP to pre-correct the NDP frequency to be within a TBD range (e.g., 350Hz) of the sync-reference AP’s frequency
      • Applies to sequential and joint sounding
      • The pre-correction of cross-BSS NDP and joint NDP is mandatory
      • The pre-correction of in-BSS NDPs is recommended but not a mandatory requirement

 

  1. Move to add the following to the 802.11bn SFD
    • The sharing AP is the AP that transmits the final sync frame before the COBF PPDU
      • Regardless of who is the sync-reference
      • Note: This ensures a consistent protocol and a consistent behavior at sharing AP

 

  1. Move to add the following to the 802.11bn SFD
    • The shared AP always pre-corrects COBF PPDU based on the final sync
      • To bring the two APs within a TBD frequency range of each other (e.g., ~350Hz)
      • Note: Regardless of which AP is the sync-reference, this ensures consistent behavior at shared AP

 

Thanks,

Sameer

 

 

 


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