Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] TGmc telecon - Dec 7 - 10am Eastern/7am Pacific 2

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CID 70 is in MAC, and has a proposed resolution of “Accept” in the database and posted MAC spreadsheets. If TGac has another suggestion, we could either consider their latest change, if it would be incompatible with the commenter’s proposal, or we can just “Accept” the commenter’s suggestion and let TGac make their additional changes in their amendment. We can discuss this on the call.

CID 72 is in MAC, and has no proposed resolution yet (that I know about). My personal take is that the proposed change seems sensible, as long as it doesn’t cause any legacy compatibility problems. I don’t think it _should_, but I don’t have enough experience or expertise in this area to know very well. I’m hoping/assuming Jouni and others interested in this area can comment, on the call.

CIDs 69, 74 and 357 are in GEN, so I don’t know about those. I do agree that CID 74 should be covered by the work I’m doing (along with Mark Rison) on PM bit (CIDs 86 and 89).

Note that the recommended resolution on CID 359 is that we need a submission. Mark’s comments seem valid, and should be considered by anyone writing such a submission. My intention to discuss this comment on the call was to either get a volunteer, or to Reject it as not having enough detail in the proposed change.

CID 84 does seem to be a typo in an e-mail I sent to Dorothy a while ago. I no longer know what I intended it to be, so we’ll have to just delete that from this agenda list, and whatever it was supposed to be will trickle back to the top of the pile at some point.

Mark

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] TGmc telecon - Dec 7 - 10am Eastern/7am Pacific 2 hours

--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector --- Here is the proposed resolution for CID 356:

Change from:
"NOTE—The following example Country element (see Figure 8-90) describes USA operation (‘55’, ‘53’) using both
Table E-1 class 12 (nonglobal) and Table E-4 class 81 (global) for 2.4 GHz band, 11 channels at 100 mW limit (in
hexadecimal): ‘07’, ‘0F’, ‘55’, ‘53’, ‘04’, ‘C9’, ‘0C’, ‘0’, ‘01’, ‘0B’, ‘64’, ‘C9’, ‘51’, ‘0’, ‘01’, ‘0B’, ‘64’."

to

"NOTE—The following example Country element (see Figure 8-90) describes USA operation (‘55’, ‘53’) using both

Table E-1 class 12 (nonglobal) and Table E-4 class 81 (global) for 2.4 GHz band, 11 channels at 100 mW limit (20dBm in
hexadecimal): ‘07’, ‘0F’, ‘55’, ‘53’, ‘04’, ‘C9’, ‘0C’, ‘0’, ‘01’, ‘0B’, ‘14’, ‘C9’, ‘51’, ‘0’, ‘01’, ‘0B’, ‘14’."

Thanks Peter E for this.

Dorothy

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Dorothy,

> CIDs 69, 70, 72, 74, 356, 357

Where are the proposed resolutions for these?

Re CID 69, I believe TGac has improved this and will, I hope, improve
it further in its D5.0. Note that "channel identifier" is a bit
vague, but it is desirable to allow the channels specified by
( first channel, number of channels ) to be interleaved, as long as
a given channel is never identified more than once, so that channel
lists like "183, 184, 185, 187, 188, 189" from Table E-3 can be
efficiently encoded.

Re CID 70, TGac has improved this and now explicitly states that a
subband triplet applies to the operating triplet which precedes it.

Re CID 74, this might be mopped up by the work Mark H is doing on
tidying up the PM bit/BU stuff?

> 147, 148, 33, 11, 12, 13, 22, 34, 37, 173, 329, 354, 359, 362, 363, 84, 200, 215, 219, 224, 277, 278,
> 282, 216 -Mark Hamilton

Re CID 359 it's a bit messy:

- 10.2.1.12 has the only normative requirement on ageing:
"Any AP aging function shall not cause the buffered BU to be discarded
after any period that is shorter than the ListenInterval of the STA
for which the BUs are buffered"

- 10.2.1.6 has a softer permission: "An AP may delete buffered BUs
[...] an aging function [...]. The AP may base the aging function
on the Listen Interval specified by the STA in the (Re)Association
Request frame or the WNM-Sleep Interval specified by the non-AP STA
in the WNM-Sleep Mode Request frame."

So the only thing you have to honour is the Listen Interval. You
get some hints that you might perhaps wish to honour the WNM-Sleep
Interval too, but nothing more.

Might the fix be to also mention the WNM-Sleep Interval in
10.2.1.12?

Re CID 84, it's not in 1189r8. And we've already motioned it.
Typo?

Mark

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> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector --- All,

>
> An updated draft agenda for this Friday's call is below, including additions to the list of CIDs.
>
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Call to order, patent policy, attendance
> 2. Editor Report
> 3. Comment resolution:
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> GEN comments:
> CIDs 338, 339, 340 - Propose to resolve with same resolution as CID 341, which was approved in Nov
> CID 67 - Proposed Accept, see P38 in 11-12-1229
> CIDs 69, 70, 72, 74, 356, 357
> Continue with comments from 11-12-1229
>
> MAC comments:
> CID 371 - Propose Accept
> CID 349 - Propose Revised (per ad-hoc notes)
> CID 303 - Propose Rejected, "The commenter has not indicated the specific changes that would satisfy
> the commenter."
> 147, 148, 33, 11, 12, 13, 22, 34, 37, 173, 329, 354, 359, 362, 363, 84, 200, 215, 219, 224, 277, 278,
> 282, 216 -Mark Hamilton
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> 4. AOB
> 5. Adjourn
> 6. Reference: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1189-08-000m-mac-adhoc-pre-ballot-comment-
> collection-resolutions.xls and https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1082-11-0000-revmc-pre-
> ballot-comments.xls .
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> Thanks,
>
> Dorothy
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> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dorothy Stanley <dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> All,
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> MAC comments, including 147, 148, 33, 11, 12, 13, 22, 34, 37, 173, 329, 354, 359, 362, 363, , 84,
> 200, 215, 219, 224, 277, 278, 282, 216 -Mark Hamilton
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