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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] FW: Use of "should" in an informative annex

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Hi Adrian,
'Should' entails 'may', so 'may' must also be allowable in an informative annex.
And, 'may' entails "it is not the case that it shall not", so 'shall' is equally permissible (though perhaps some accompanying negatives may be required).
Consequently there is no IEEE Standards Association reason to avoid any normative term in an informative annex.
Since the IEEE Style Manual (2012) rule is "Interspersed normative and informative text is not allowed.", then the official permission of normative terms in an informative annex means that in such an annex the normative terms do not constitute normative text. Normative terms may be used in an informative annex, because they can't be normative text. 

Peachy; got it.

Thanks for finding this out,

Hunter
By the way, in the American version of Latin derivatives the term "volte-face" (pronounced "volt-face", singularly apropos in an electrical engineering standard) uses a hyphen. 


On 3/13/2014 00:12, Stephens, Adrian P wrote:
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Please see below…

This relates to CID 2401 reviewed yesterday.

Michelle does not support my position. So, I shall do a volte face.
We should, IMHO, resolve this comment by changing the heading, as “recommended practice” has a
special meaning in IEEE-SA parlance. We might consider replacing “it is recommended that” with “should”
and use the active voice, e.g. “It is recommended that pigs fly” becomes “Pigs should fly”. 

Best Regards,

Adrian P STEPHENS

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*From:*Michelle Turner [mailto:m.d.turner@xxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* 12 March 2014 18:08
*To:* Stephens, Adrian P
*Cc:* Kim Breitfelder
*Subject:* Re: Use of "should" in an informative annex

Hi Adrian
It's fine to have "should" in an informative annex. I would, however, not use the words "Recommended Practice" in the heading as that is a document type. Rather, I recommend (ha!) something like, "Recommendation for implementation of..." We can discuss more next week. See you in Beijing :-)
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Stephens, Adrian P <Adrian.P.Stephens@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Adrian.P.Stephens@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: 

    Hello Michelle,

    Can you help me with a question – potentially reaching out to your
    fellow editors for a consensus.

    In 802.11, we have an informative annex that contains “should”
    statements (and “recommended practice” in the heading).

    Is this valid?

    One viewpoint is that anything that affects an implementation is
    normative, because that is the whole

    purpose of a standard. So this is an inconsistency.

    Another viewpoint is that a “should” doesn’t require anything,
    because it’s not a “shall” – whether

    the manufacturer follow it or not is up to them.

    What is your position?

    Best Regards,

    Adrian P STEPHENS

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