Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High Efficiency WLAN (HEW)

[Ed Reuss <edreuss@xxxxxxxxx>]

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I have to agree as well. While each of the proposed nominees is highly respected and proved their worth to the WG over the years, this process appears unseemly. Ironically, I would probably be happy to vote for each one individually. 

However, I would like to see the group follow a more open process to select its nominees. Also, as said before, the number of proposed officers seems excessive for a study group. 

Mahalo.  -- Ed Reuss

On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>  +1
> 
> On 4/19/13 6:31 PM, "Paul Lambert" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Philip, Vinko, Rolf,  Laurent and Dapeng,
>> 
>> 
>> Š we collectively have chosen to promote an enhanced leadership
>> organization
>> 
>> 
>> This seems like an inordinate and inappropriate amount of private
>> coordination for an open and public standards organization.  The
>> High Efficiency WLAN Stud
>> Group hardly knows what will be delivered yet as technology ­ it¹s not
>> even started to define the scope of the problem area, and already we have
>> an embarrassing wealth of organizational overhead.  Five officers for a
>> study group
>> is absurd.  This announcement appears to be a preemptive ³scent marking²
>> to establish the territory of a small cadre. It smells poorly for the
>> overall behavior of an open standards committee that has yet to start any
>> productive work.
>> 
>> The first item to deliver is a charter (aka PAR and 5 Criteria). It¹s
>> ridiculous to already be parsing a ³study group² into subgroups and
>> subtopics.  It¹s totally unnecessary to have topic specific vice chairs
>> in a study group.  The appropriate parliamentary process is to: 1) Elect
>> a Chair, 2) discuss the need for any further ³leadership² positions as a
>> group face-to-face.  As the group evolves, additional positions should be
>> added when they are needed.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Paul A. Lambert | IEEE Member
>> 
>> Opinions expressed in this IEEE 802 forum are strictly my own thoughts
>> and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
>> 
>> From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Phillip Barber
>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:10 PM
>> To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to
>> move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High
>> Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
>> 
>> After discussion and consideration amongst several colleagues active in
>> the genesis of the High Efficiency WLAN (HEW) Study Group, and to
>> facilitate Study Group operation as well as reflect the depth and
>> character
>> of commitment to the contemplated project, we collectively have chosen
>> to promote an enhanced leadership organization through the following
>> nominations:
>> 
>> Nomination for HEW Study Group
>> Chair: Osama Aboul-Magd, affiliation Huawei
>> Nomination for HEW Study Group
>> Vice Chair for PHY topics: Ron Porat, affiliation Broadcom
>> Nomination for HEW Study Group
>> Vice Chair for MAC topics: Simone Merlin, affiliation Qualcomm
>> Nomination for HEW Study Group
>> Vice Chair for Carrier topics: Laurent Cariou, affiliation Orange
>> Nomination for HEW Study Group
>> Secretary: Dapeng Liu, affiliation China Mobile
>> 
>> As this is an unusual depth of organization for a Study Group, we have
>> discussed the proposed structure with the WG Chair, Bruce Kraemer, to
>> solicit his input and tentative approval for the organizational structure
>> only.
>> 
>> We realize that approval for such organizational structure must
>> necessarily wait for convening of the Study Group and 802.11 Membership
>> at the May meeting. Nevertheless, we felt it would be beneficial to
>> announce
>> our intent at this time.
>> 
>> We hope that you will endorse the proposed organization structure and
>> support our nominations for the identified positions.
>> 
>> Looking forward to progressing our joint work on this project in May,
>> Phillip Barber, Huawei
>> Vinko Erceg, Broadcom
>> Rolf De Vegt, Qualcomm
>> Laurent Cariou, Orange
>> Dapeng Liu, China Mobile
>> 
>> From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Bruce Kraemer
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:56 AM
>> To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to move
>> 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High
>> Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
>> 
>> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
>> 
>> Dear 802.11,
>> We just completed our March 802 plenary meeting last Friday evening in
>> Orlando, FL.
>> 
>> Among the various topics discussed during the week 802.11 had submitted
>> two topics for the Executive Committee agenda:
>> Conditional approval to move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot
>> Approval to form a new study group titled High Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
>> 
>> Both of these requests were approved
>> 
>> Regarding 802.11ac
>> Please note that working group letter ballot 194 on 802.11ac D5.0 is
>> currently underway. Ballot instructions can be found at:
>> http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/
>> Depending on the results of the WG ballot, Sponsor Ballot may begin in
>> April and possibly conclude just prior to our May interim meeting.
>> 
>> Regarding the HEW Study Group
>> I have appointed Laurent Cariou (Orange) as the chair pro-tem of the
>> study group. He will prepare the study group for operation in our May
>> meeting.
>> 
>> Also note that a call for nominations for the HEW Study Group chair is
>> now open. Nominees for the position of Study Group chair will close
>> during the 802.11 opening plenary on Monday May 13. During the first
>> session of the Study Group  a
>> chair selection vote will occur. The selected party will be confirmed by
>> the WG during the mid-week plenary.
>> 
>> NB: When the study group convenes it is likely they will agree to fill
>> additional vice chair and secretary positions.
>> 
>> Regarding the May meeting in Waikoloa
>> Early bird meeting registration closes :   Monday April 1, 2013    @ 6pm
>> Pacific Time
>> 
>> * 
>> $600 US for attendees staying at the Hilton Waikoloa Village Resort
>> * 
>> $900 US for all others (including local attendees not staying at the
>> group hotel)
>> 
>> http://www.ieee802.org/11/Meetings/Meeting_Plan.html
>> 
>> Hotel rooms are still available at the Hilton Waikoloa but note that as
>> of Tuesday March 19th the early bird rooms at a rate of $149 are sold
>> out. The rates are currently $169.00.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bruce Kraemer
>> Chair IEEE 802.11
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