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Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High Efficiency WLAN (HEW)

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Dear All,
 
I too am addressing this subject as my personal views and not necessarily my companies.
 
As an original supporter of this work and the Vice Chair of the Working Group for 8 years, I am having some major concerns over what was originally presented to me as a study group/task group that would address Operator issues. I completely agree with Paul Lamber. The officer structure of the study group is more than the structure in the TGn and TGac task groups. This, along with the name of the group, is sending a message to me that this is not addressing operator needs but leads me to believe that the intent is a major overhaul of this standard. If this is the intent and is not for the purpose of addressing operator issues, I do not support this work.
 
The PAR is to limit the scope of the work to a specific and finite issue that can be done in a timely manner. I can only hope that the study group will keep this in mind as they work forward.
 
Best regards,
Harry Worstell
 
> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:28:32 -0700
> From: edreuss@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
> To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
>
> I have to agree as well. While each of the proposed nominees is highly respected and proved their worth to the WG over the years, this process appears unseemly. Ironically, I would probably be happy to vote for each one individually.
>
> However, I would like to see the group follow a more open process to select its nominees. Also, as said before, the number of proposed officers seems excessive for a study group.
>
> Mahalo. -- Ed Reuss
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
> >
> > +1
> >
> > On 4/19/13 6:31 PM, "Paul Lambert" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
> >>
> >> Philip, Vinko, Rolf, Laurent and Dapeng,
> >>
> >>
> >> Š we collectively have chosen to promote an enhanced leadership
> >> organization
> >>
> >>
> >> This seems like an inordinate and inappropriate amount of private
> >> coordination for an open and public standards organization. The
> >> High Efficiency WLAN Stud
> >> Group hardly knows what will be delivered yet as technology ­ it¹s not
> >> even started to define the scope of the problem area, and already we have
> >> an embarrassing wealth of organizational overhead. Five officers for a
> >> study group
> >> is absurd. This announcement appears to be a preemptive ³scent marking²
> >> to establish the territory of a small cadre. It smells poorly for the
> >> overall behavior of an open standards committee that has yet to start any
> >> productive work.
> >>
> >> The first item to deliver is a charter (aka PAR and 5 Criteria). It¹s
> >> ridiculous to already be parsing a ³study group² into subgroups and
> >> subtopics.  It¹s totally unnecessary to have topic specific vice chairs
> >> in a study group. The appropriate parliamentary process is to: 1) Elect
> >> a Chair, 2) discuss the need for any further ³leadership² positions as a
> >> group face-to-face. As the group evolves, additional positions should be
> >> added when they are needed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Paul A. Lambert | IEEE Member
> >>
> >> Opinions expressed in this IEEE 802 forum are strictly my own thoughts
> >> and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
> >>
> >> From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of Phillip Barber
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:10 PM
> >> To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to
> >> move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High
> >> Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
> >>
> >> After discussion and consideration amongst several colleagues active in
> >> the genesis of the High Efficiency WLAN (HEW) Study Group, and to
> >> facilitate Study Group operation as well as reflect the depth and
> >> character
> >> of commitment to the contemplated project, we collectively have chosen
> >> to promote an enhanced leadership organization through the following
> >> nominations:
> >>
> >> Nomination for HEW Study Group
> >> Chair: Osama Aboul-Magd, affiliation Huawei
> >> Nomination for HEW Study Group
> >> Vice Chair for PHY topics: Ron Porat, affiliation Broadcom
> >> Nomination for HEW Study Group
> >> Vice Chair for MAC topics: Simone Merlin, affiliation Qualcomm
> >> Nomination for HEW Study Group
> >> Vice Chair for Carrier topics: Laurent Cariou, affiliation Orange
> >> Nomination for HEW Study Group
> >> Secretary: Dapeng Liu, affiliation China Mobile
> >>
> >> As this is an unusual depth of organization for a Study Group, we have
> >> discussed the proposed structure with the WG Chair, Bruce Kraemer, to
> >> solicit his input and tentative approval for the organizational structure
> >> only.
> >>
> >> We realize that approval for such organizational structure must
> >> necessarily wait for convening of the Study Group and 802.11 Membership
> >> at the May meeting. Nevertheless, we felt it would be beneficial to
> >> announce
> >> our intent at this time.
> >>
> >> We hope that you will endorse the proposed organization structure and
> >> support our nominations for the identified positions.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to progressing our joint work on this project in May,
> >> Phillip Barber, Huawei
> >> Vinko Erceg, Broadcom
> >> Rolf De Vegt, Qualcomm
> >> Laurent Cariou, Orange
> >> Dapeng Liu, China Mobile
> >>
> >> From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of Bruce Kraemer
> >> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:56 AM
> >> To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 received conditional approval to move
> >> 802.11ac to sponsor ballot and form a new study group titled High
> >> Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
> >>
> >> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
> >>
> >> Dear 802.11,
> >> We just completed our March 802 plenary meeting last Friday evening in
> >> Orlando, FL.
> >>
> >> Among the various topics discussed during the week 802.11 had submitted
> >> two topics for the Executive Committee agenda:
> >> Conditional approval to move 802.11ac to sponsor ballot
> >> Approval to form a new study group titled High Efficiency WLAN (HEW)
> >>
> >> Both of these requests were approved
> >>
> >> Regarding 802.11ac
> >> Please note that working group letter ballot 194 on 802.11ac D5.0 is
> >> currently underway. Ballot instructions can be found at:
> >> http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/
> >> Depending on the results of the WG ballot, Sponsor Ballot may begin in
> >> April and possibly conclude just prior to our May interim meeting.
> >>
> >> Regarding the HEW Study Group
> >> I have appointed Laurent Cariou (Orange) as the chair pro-tem of the
> >> study group. He will prepare the study group for operation in our May
> >> meeting.
> >>
> >> Also note that a call for nominations for the HEW Study Group chair is
> >> now open. Nominees for the position of Study Group chair will close
> >> during the 802.11 opening plenary on Monday May 13. During the first
> >> session of the Study Group a
> >> chair selection vote will occur. The selected party will be confirmed by
> >> the WG during the mid-week plenary.
> >>
> >> NB: When the study group convenes it is likely they will agree to fill
> >> additional vice chair and secretary positions.
> >>
> >> Regarding the May meeting in Waikoloa
> >> Early bird meeting registration closes : Monday April 1, 2013 @ 6pm
> >> Pacific Time
> >>
> >> *
> >> $600 US for attendees staying at the Hilton Waikoloa Village Resort
> >> *
> >> $900 US for all others (including local attendees not staying at the
> >> group hotel)
> >>
> >> http://www.ieee802.org/11/Meetings/Meeting_Plan.html
> >>
> >> Hotel rooms are still available at the Hilton Waikoloa but note that as
> >> of Tuesday March 19th the early bird rooms at a rate of $149 are sold
> >> out. The rates are currently $169.00.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bruce Kraemer
> >> Chair IEEE 802.11
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