Re: [STDS-802-11] Updated version of RFC4441bis is available; plan to discuss in ARC on Weds

[Rene Struik <rstruik.ext@xxxxxxxxx>]

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Hi Donald:

Perhaps, present-day considerations (a decade later) would warrant 
rethinking this topic; hence, my note.

Of course, any documentation of TGi days that sheds light on 
considerations at the time would help. Do you know whether there is any 
report on this?

I am curious about any downsides (i.e., does it cause 802.11 to 
malfunction?) and creative thoughts on the topic.

Of course, it would be a set-back for entities that try and benefit from 
stealth consumer tracking software that exploits the "traceability by 
design" feature of 802.11 -- currently well-documented case: London 
trash cans with built-in MAC address tracking software [now discontinued 
after public backlash])?

Best regards, Rene

On 1/21/2014 1:47 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> There was consideration of this as part of 802.11i but it was
> ultimately rejected at that time.
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
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> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Rene Struik <rstruik.ext@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
> >
> > Hi Dorothy:
> >
> > One area IETF currently targets, measures against pervasive monitoring,
> > could greatly benefit from 802.11 - the primary mechanism for wireless
> > internet access - taking measures to try and prevent traceability of devices
> > at the MAC level (otherwise, whatever protocol). This would call for
> > investigating potential use of ephemeral addresses in MPDUs, rather than
> > using static addresses.
> >
> > Do you know whether the impact of potentially facilitating this has been
> > studied carefully in 802.11? Would consideration for this be a suitable
> > addition to the HEW PAR & 5C?
> >
> > Best regards, Rene
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2014 9:34 PM, "Dorothy Stanley" <dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
> > > All,
> > >
> > > An updated version of RFC4441bis is available, see
> > > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-iab-rfc4441rev-07.txt .
> > >
> > > I expect that we will review this document in ARC on Wednesday AM1.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dorothy
> > > --------------------
> > > Dorothy Stanley
> > > Aruba Networks dstanley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx
> > > +1 630-363-1389
> > >
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