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Hi Adrian,

As everyone knows, the IEEE 802.11ax draft D1.0 is one of the most complex amendments under development.

- Includes sets of ground breaking wireless networking features and specifications “new” to 802.11 WLANs.

- This is the first amendment to implement a new framework for PHY and MAC updates by amendment linked back to the baseline IEEE 802.11 standard.

- All of which require a very detailed review.

With the holiday season upon us, many IEEE 802.11 members “world-wide” will be spending quality time with family and friends.

I agree with and support other members opinions requesting the Chair to extend the WG letter ballot including those members such as; Sigurd, Graham, Joe, Sean and Saishankar. It’s only reasonable to extend the time of the letter ballot to ensure that we have the time necessary to complete a quality review of this draft. Even with extending the letter ballot period, we have we have sufficient time “1 week” to prepare the results for the opening of the January 2017 interim in Atlanta. In my experience as WG Vice-Chair, this circumstance is not new to IEEE 802.11 and similar requests have been considered and granted in the past.

I strongly urge that you consider and grant this request!

Best regards,

Al Petrick

Former Vice-Chairman IEEE 802.11 Working Group

Voting member IEEE 802.11 since 1994

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Saishankar Nandagopalan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:02 PM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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I second Sean.

With Best Regards

Sai

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sean Coffey
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 5:16 PM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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Hello Adrian,

The request to extend the latter ballot response period seems very understandable and reasonable, given the circumstances. If it is indeed something that falls within your discretion as Working Group Chair, then I’d urge you to grant the request.

Thanks,

Sean

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Levy, Joseph S
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:56 AM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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Hi Adrian –

I would like to support Sigurd’s very reasonable request.

1) I concur with Sigurd’s observation that there is a big difference between 30 days starting a week after the meeting and 30 days starting December 1. The current timing puts the final week of the review in the peak “holiday” season and will not allow adequate time for many fully review the draft.

2) The draft itself is large (453 pages) and there are many significant changes and additions since the previous draft.

3) After my quick review and assessment of the status of the draft, there seems to be a significant number of features that require deep and careful review. As you are well aware such review and well written comments do take significant time. Hence losing 5 or more working days from 30 day review period will make it difficult to insure there is time to adequately review the draft.

Speaking from a purely personal perspective: I have not been following the details of several of the features being proposed in the ax amendment and hence am being confronted by the size and complexity of the amendment in its entirety for the first time with this letter ballot. Given my desire to fully review the amendment, as all 802.11 voting members are obligated to do, and my own personal time constraints I believe extending the ballot to allow adequate time for review is warranted.

I support the proposal to extend the ballot though the first week in January closing on Friday the 6^th of January or even on Monday the 9^th of January. As this would allow for some much needed additional review time and still allow the ballot to close prior to the Atlanta meeting, which I believe this is a reasonable compromise, between progressing the work and improving the quality of the review.

Regards,

Joseph

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Stephens
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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Hello Sigurd and all,

Holidays are always a difficult issue. It is up to individuals to use their time effectively and turn in a ballot on time, and it has ever been thus.

We voted in the working group for a 30 day ballot, and I see no reason to change it. The ballot will be extended if the return ratio is insufficient.

Sincerely,

Adrian Stephens

IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair

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On 2016-12-02 17:41, Sigurd Schelstraete wrote:

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Hi Jon,
Thanks for your reply. A couple of comments still:
1.     We agreed to a 30-day review on November 11. The draft came out on December 1^st. If the ballot period had opened earlier (say the week after the meeting), the issue would not have arisen. We signed a bit of a blank check by agreeing to a 30-day period without knowing when it would start. 30 days starting Nov 18 is not the same as 30 days starting Dec 1^st.
2.     A 30-day review period usually implies four working weeks – give or take a few days. If the discrepancy is too high, I believe this should be taken into account. If not now – then at least going forward.
3.     I know of at least one instance where the ballot period was changed by the WG chair (see attached email). In that case, it was a technical glitch that would have prevented some people from having access to the full review period. Regardless, this precedent would indicate that the WG chair has the authority to extend the ballot period if conditions warrant it.

I’m not making this request lightly. We should respect the relevant procedures. Nevertheless, I believe the current ballot period has some exceptional circumstances to it. The question is how the interest of the TG is best served. I believe an extra week is beneficial to everyone, without interfering with the goal to finish the LB by the January meeting.

Regards,

Sigurd

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 8:19 AM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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HI Graham and Sigurd, while I am sympathetic to your concerns, I would point out that the TG and WG voted and determined to have a 30 day LB.
It would not be permissible to arbitrarily change the end date contrary to what the WG and TG voted for. (I would also note it was unanimous in November).
FWIW,
Jon

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On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:14 AM, gsmith <gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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I agree with Sigurd
Thanks
Graham

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From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sigurd Schelstraete
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 2:27 PM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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Adrian,
This letter ballot period completely overlaps with the December holiday period. This will significantly reduce the de facto time that people will have available for review to well below 30 days. Given that this is the first WG ballot of 11ax, I believe more time is needed to give everyone a fair chance at doing a full review. I would like to request to leave the ballot period open till January 6th. This still leaves a full week before the start of the January meeting.

Thanks for your consideration,

Sigurd

-----Original Message-----
From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Stephens
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:17 AM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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IEEE 802.11(TM) Letter Ballot 225

To: IEEE 802.11 Voters,

With this email, the 802.11 Working Group is officially beginning WG Technical Letter Ballot 225 (LB225), which is a Letter Ballot on the question "Should P802.11ax D1.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?".

This Letter Ballot opens Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 23:59 Eastern Time USA
(11:59PM) and will close 30 days later on Sat Dec 31, 2016 at 23:59 Eastern Time USA (11:59pm). All necessary documents are available in the instructions that can be found on the IEEE 802.11 web site at http://www.ieee802.org/11/LetterBallots/LB225ax/LB225_instructions.html.

Important:
o This is a 30-day Technical letter ballot and the ballot group
(i.e., those that may vote) for this ballot is all IEEE 802.11 voter members as of the start of this letter ballot.
o All current voter members of 802.11 are required to vote on this
ballot series.
o If you cast a "Do not approve" vote on this ballot, it must be
accompanied by comments for your vote to be valid.
o You must follow these instructions to vote. Do not send an email to
vote. Voting by any method other than the web-based process described here will invalidate your vote.
o Failure to follow these instructions will result in your vote being
discarded as an invalid vote.
o Not voting on a letter ballot series or sending an invalid vote can
affect your voting privileges.
o The draft is password protected in accordance with IEEE 802
Policies and Procedures. To obtain the draft, use the username and the password supplied to active members for the 802.11 WG private area.

(The attached file contains a reminder set for 4 days before the close of the ballot. You may find it helpful to import this into or open this with your calendar client in order to get an automated reminder.)

Thank you for participating in Letter Ballot 225.

Adrian Stephens, IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
E-mail: Adrian.P.Stephens@xxxxxxxx

Osama Aboul-Magd, IEEE 802.11 TGax Chair
E-mail: Osama.AboulMagd@xxxxxxxxxx

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