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On 9/6/21, 8:40 PM, "Ganming(Ming Gan)" <ming.gan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
Hello Rojan and Dan I second Rojan’s comment. Besides the quarantine requirement, we also need consider another factor –qualified vaccine. It seems different countries have different views
on qualified vaccine. There was no problem if every country could strictly follow the guideline of WHO. Yes, good point. The Chinese vaccines have been shown to have quite low effectiveness. My numbers were based on people that got effective vaccines, not Sinopharm.
So countries that relied upon Chinese vaccines are likely to not be as well protected as others that relied upon better, effective vaccines. That might be a factor in our calculations.
Dan, your examples are not good, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. All of them are not contagious like Covid-19.
Apples and oranges are not "contagious like Covid-19." Fruit are not vectors for the spread of this virus. And there is no problem comparing apples and oranges, they are both fruit so if the comparison involves fruit then comparing apples
and oranges is perfectly valid. I'm not sure what comparison you're saying is "not good." We should take care of not only ourselves, but also our family members and other people around us. I never said we should not take care of our family members or people around us. Of course we should. I am all in favor of taking care of our family members. Count me in! The point I was making was that we should evaluate risk logically
and prudently. Who are you concerned about? Young people who are not approved to get vaccines? Well keep in mind that, as I pointed out to Andrew, those under 25 are at a significantly lower risk of death by COVID as they are from the common flu. So if you
were not obsessed 2 years ago with taking care of family members and other people around you to prevent them from catching the common flu such that it caused you to stop attending 802.11 meetings then why are you so obsessed now? Why aren't you more concerned
about your family members or other people around you dying from a car crash (which they are statistically more likely to have happen) or from choking on food while they eat? What is it about this particular risk factor that's making you lose all perspective? regards, Dan. -- "the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." – Marcus Aurelius 发件人: Rojan Chitrakar [mailto:rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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Hi Dan, Thanks for the insightful statistics; I didn’t know that the risk of death by chocking on food is so high; I will be more careful while eating henceforth
😊 While I understand that we all would love to get back to F2F meetings asap, at least for me as an international participant, I believe the pre-departure requirements (PCR Test within 48 hours etc.) and the 14 –
21 days quarantine requirement upon return to home country (likely on personal expense) is a bigger concern (than possible infection). Perhaps it would be good if we also collect the reasons for people voting No from next rounds of Poll. It may provide more insight. Regards, Rojan From: Harkins, Daniel <daniel.harkins@xxxxxxx>
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A little perspective after these results. Of course your country may vary (and odds of death by gun assault in the USA is not indicative of the same elsewhere) but largely these numbers should play out roughly
the same in most large, modern, societies. Check the attached for references. Death of a vaccinated person from COVID: 1 in 137,698 Death by lightning strike: 1 in 138,849 Death from sunstroke: 1 in 8,248 Death by choking on food: 1 in 2,535 etc. Now who goes around orienting their life over the possibility of getting struck by lightning? No one! And we would look with concern at someone who was that obsessed over such a minute risk that he or she stopped
living his or her life. Indeed, such a person would be an object of ridicule up to the time he or she was involuntarily committed for a mental evaluation. While death by choking on food is orders of magnitude more probable than a vaccinated person dying of
COVID, we still seem to eat with abandon and with little concern for the risk involved. Risk management is what people do all the time and have done since time immemorial. We should get back to it with COVID.
Dan. -- "the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." – Marcus Aurelius On 9/1/21, 10:02 AM, "Dorothy Stanley" <dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---
All, The poll results from the recent polls regarding attending in-person meetings for the upcoming 2 sessions are below. This information is one of the inputs into the decision making for the meetings to be in-person
or electronic. November 2021: 80 Yes, 184 No, 7 Abstain January 2022: 90 Yes, 140 No, 13 Abstain Thanks, Dorothy ---------------------- To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11 list, click the following link:
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