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Re: [STDS-802-11] request for comments: REvME changes to 26.1

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The word "support" and "supports" is used at least 4365 times in 802.11-2020.  It means that a conforming implementation has the capability.   If you redefine it to mean an optional feature then you change the meaning of each of those 4365 uses of "support", "supported", "supports", etc.  This is IMO a very bad idea.

If the intention is that the feature or set of features described is optional functionality, then "may support" is the correct phrase. You may be tempted to use "may optionally" or "optionally supports" but neither is correct:  "may" defines an optional requirement (so "optionally" is redundant).   "optionally supports" is not actually stating a normative requirement (thus it is not clear what is intended).

I have no opinion on whether support for the indicated functions should be mandatory or optional, only a preference that the group decide which and specify it correctly. The correct choices are "shall support" or "may support" according the group's intentions. 

FWIW correct use of language and clear specification is important 😉

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Ben

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From: Xiaofei Wang <00001995ce968e76-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 1:06 PM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [STDS-802-11] request for comments: REvME changes to 26.1
 
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Dear all,

 

For RevME, there is a comment 7024 for 26.1 regarding the word “supports”.

 

The proposed CR is to change Subclause 26.1 as follows (as shown below and in 11-24/718r1). It is mostly editorial changes. Please let me know if you have any comments/changes. There are also a number other sentences that may need to be changed regarding the word “supports”.

 

26. High-efficiency (HE) MAC specification(11ax)

26.1 Introduction

An HE STA supports the mandatory MAC and MLME functions and may support the optional MAC and MLME functions:

  • defined in Clause 26 (High-efficiency (HE) MAC specification(11ax))
  • defined in Clause 10 (MAC sublayer functional description) and in Clause 11 (MLME), and the security functions defined in Clause 12 (Security), except when the functions in Clause 26 (High-efficiency (HE) MAC specification(11ax)) supersede them.

 

A frame successfully transmitted by a non-AP STA in response to a Basic Trigger

frame is a successful frame exchange sequence(#109) initiated by the STA as referred to in Clause 11 (MLME) and Clause 12 (Security).

 

 

 

CID

Clause Number(C)

Page(C)

Line(C)

Comment

Proposed Change

Owning Ad-hoc

7024

26.1

4047

7

The spec needs to clearly define what the word "supports" means. Traditional if a STA "supports" a feature or functionality, it means that it implements it. However, this sentence "An HE STA supports the MAC and MLME functions defined in Clause 26 (High-efficiency (HE) MAC specification(11ax)) in addition to the MAC functions defined in Clause 10 (MAC sublayer functional description), the MLME functions defined in Clause 11 (MLME), and the security functions defined in Clause 12 (Security), except when the functions in Clause 26 (High-efficiency (HE) MAC specification(11ax)) supersede the functions in Clause 10 (MAC sublayer functional description) or Clause 11 (MLME)." causes confusion since a STA clearly does not always "support" all the functions defined in all these clauses. This sentence in RevME has been used as a base for rejecting another occurrence of  the word "support" for a later amendment claiming that this sentence implies that "supports feature A" does not always mean a device will implement feature A.

either define "supports" can mean optionally implement, or use a different words to convey the meaning.

MAC

 

 

Xiaofei Clement Wang

Principal Engineer | InterDigital

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