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Re: [STDS-802-16-MOBILE] [Handoff]Minutes from 6/24 telecon



Title: [STDS-802-16-MOBILE] [Handoff]Minutes from 6/24 telecon

Dear Prakashi and all

 

I am sorry for late reply.

Please see my comment in line.

 

Thank you

Ronny

 


From: owner-stds-802-16-mobile@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-16-mobile@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:36 PM
To: STDS-802-16-MOBILE@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [STDS-802-16-MOBILE] [Handoff]Minutes from 6/24 telecon

 

 

The following harmonized contributions will be submitted as HO adhoc consensus contributions prior to the 5 PM deadline on 6/25. Please submit these using the standard naming conventions (see Brian's earlier email on this subject) to the TGe upload directory (not the temporary file store). Revisions may be needed next week based on more thorough review from the group.

1. HO optimization flags r2
- NOTE to Phil Barber - Ronny Kim has asked that text related to data pending flag + 2 backbone messages be added as informative text per prior emails on this subject.

- Ronny will try to provide some sample text to Phil on above points.

Text below is that I have suggested to Phil. (I have changed text in 76r2 using harmonized terminology)

[Insert a sentence to 6.3.20.2.5 in page 51 as follows]

 

6.3.20.2.5 Termination with the Serving BS

 

After the hand-over request/response handshake has completed, the MSS may begin the actual HO. At some stage during the HO process, the MSS terminates service with the serving BS. This is accomplished by sending a MOB-HO-IND MAC Management message with the HO_IND_type value indicating serving BS release.

 

If the HO_IND_type field specifies Serving BS release, the BS may either close all connections and discard MAC state machines and MAC PDUs associated with the MSS, or it may retain the connections, MAC state machine and PDU associated with the MSS to be forwarded to the Target BS for service continuation, or to be discarded upon reception of a backbone message from the Target BS. During handover procedure with the target BS, the MSS will be notified of pending data existence by post-HO re-entry MSS DL data pending at Target flag in RNG-RSP. When MSS re-establishes IP connectivity during receiving forwarded data, BS may send a backbone message to request the old BS to stop forwarding data.

 

For two backbone messages please refer to 76r2. (“D.2.XX MSS-Data-Forwarding Message”, “D.2.XX Stop-Data-Forwarding Message”)


- NOTE to Phil - request to add text to further clarify the definition and purpose of bit #3 (omit network address acquisition management messages) in HO optimization flags

- Unresolved OPEN (Jung-won/Ronny) - currently there are no HO optimization flags to indicate if an MSS has pending data to transmit on the UL during HO and IP address acquisition should be delayed. Needs further analysis but will not gate submission of this contribution today.

 

If there are only pending data to transmit on the UL during HO, no problem. Because an MSS can delay address acquisition, it can transmit pending data through the target BS without breaking session.

Problem of delaying IP address acquisition in UL case is in subsequent DL IP packet followed by UL IP packet. Even though UL IP packet can be delivered but DL IP packet will be delivered to the previous BS and this packet has to be forwarded to the current BS. In this case, we need a way for the previous BS to keep forwarding DL IP packet.  

Or MSS can just send out all pending UL IP packet while delaying IP address acquisition and re-establish IP address and starts a new session.

 

- Phil will submit a comment with this contribution

2. NBR-ADV r0
- This is a revision to the MOB-NBR-ADV message as discussed during the handoff adhoc F2F. There was no other feedback during the call.

- Phil will submit a comment with this contribution

3. Method for scanning neighbor BSs periodically
- Again, no specific issues were raised regarding this contribution
- Kihyoung will submit a comment with this contribution

4. Clarification of Paging Announce
- Jungje and BJ Kim discussed Jungje's objection to deleting PAGING CYCLE and PAGING OFFSET in the Paging Announce message. The issue was resolved and these 2 fields will be reincorporated in the Paging Announce message.

- BJ Kim will submit a comment with this contribution

5. 55r5 - resource retain time
- Only suggested correction was to fix the title on the second page.
- Jungje Son will submit a comment with this contribution

The following contributions will be submitted by the respective contribution authors as non-consensus contributions. Discusssions will continue on the reflector next week to determine if one or more of these could be revised as needed and elevated to consensus contributions.

* Define_HO_Rangingcodes rev
- Jungje Son will submit with a comment

* Safety Channel HO
- Jungje Son will submit as a comment

* Soft HO (SHO) and Fast BS Switching (FBSS)
- Harmonization process continued among contribution authors. A preliminary harmonized contribution will be submitted before the Friday deadline.

- Current plan is to combine PHY contributions into one and MAC contributions for SHO and FBSS into one.
- Mo-Han Fong / Mary Chion will submit comments with these contributions

We also discussed the following new contributions, with resolution as under:
* Neighbor scanning and preferred cells - Kamran/Masoud
- The contribution wanted to confirm if NBR-ADV is broadcast or unicast - answer is broadcast
- The contributions also recommends support for 3 logical levels of preferred neighbor BSs. This may be an implementation/operational issue and not a spec issue

- Kamran/Masoud will submit a comment for discussion at the July meeting in Portland

* C802.16e-04_120r1 - Branislav
- Contribution was discussed. Ronny Kim's opinion was that Bit #3 in HO optimization flags serves the same purpose as the NBR-ADV flag proposed in this contribution.

- Ronny Kim to send out a brief response regarding this contribution to the reflector
- Author might want to submit as personal contribution anyway before the Friday deadline and revise later based on HO adhoc group input

HO Adhoc people has agreed on using HO optimization flag and bit #3 (omit network address acquisition management messages) tells an MSS whether it needs to re-establish IP connectivity or not after HO, and we has decided not to restrict a way for the target BS to know whether the MSS needs to re-establish its IP address or not. If FQDN is an information for the target BS to decide the necessity of MSSs IP re-establishment and can be exchanged through a backbone, then FQDN along with other IDs (Network ID, BGID, Subnet ID and so on) can be one of possible solutions.