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stds-802-16: Comments on the 2 Mobile Wireless PARs



[To SEC from 802 Vice Chair Geoff Thompson]

Colleagues-

I have been looking at the PARs up for consideration in Hawaii. I 
have minor detail comments on most of those addressed in a separate 
message. This discussion is of a more broad-brush philosophical 
nature.

There have been questions about the overlap of scope in these 2 
proposals (P802.16e and MBWA ECSG Vehicular Mobile Broadband) I would 
like to see if I can address the issues that have been brought up and 
should have been brought up.

We have had many instances in the past where we have issued PARs with 
overlapping scope. Generally we have done this only because we have 
FAILED to reach consensus on scope or requirements, not because the 
market (as opposed to the vendors) actually WANTED separate 
standards. The last instance that I can recall is the division 
between deterministic (.4 & .5) and "otherwise". Not even that was 
important enough for more than one to survive in the market. I 
believe that the dominant driver for success was (1) ease/cost of 
generating interoperable implementations and number of significant 
suppliers committed to bringing product to market.

The real market (i.e. the end users who don't come to standards 
meetings) wants a single standard for each application so there will 
be lots of vendors to beat each other up on price.

Now, my view of what I see here:

Two projects that are trying to (appropriately) exploit the obvious 
market gap between the ubiquity and mobility of cellular telephones 
and the rapidly rising popularity of 802.11 Wireless LANs.

What would such a standard need? I can think of:
	1) Only one standard
	2) Single, low cost customer equipment, usable everywhere
	3) Ability to maintain connectivity at vehicular speeds.
	4) Hi speed transport of packets/IP
	5) Use of "existing physical infrastructure" (read: cell towers)
	6) Strong assurance of multi-vendor interoperability
	7) Developed by an experienced standards group that knows how 
to write concise, complete standards
	8) No regulatory issues
	9) Coexistence with other wireless services
	10) Ability to be tariffed by common carriers
	11) Support appropriate security for users in a mobile environment.
	12) Ability to discover a new (no previous relationship) 
service provider and start a session from cold start
Would be nice items:
	1) Single standard world wide (auto manufacturers would 
appreciate this).
	2) Can supplement common carrier infrastructure with ad-hoc 
infrastructure.
	3) Mobile equipment/product can be made economically so that 
it can be used in fixed/campus locations.
	4) Power consumption & weight suitable for battery/portable devices
Arguable items:
	1) Whether this project needs a clean sheet design or it 
would be advantageous to reuse existing designs.
		(There has been a statement from a Dot16 member that 
backward compatibility is not an issue.)
	2) Whether this project needs a new Working Group or it would 
be advantageous to use existing one.

Bottom line Thompson opinion:
	No vendor wants to implement both
	No service provider will want to offer both
	No way will both of these succeed in the marketplace even if 
you do get 2 standards out.
	Both of them may not succeed in the marketplace if you get 2 
standards out.

Therefore, I believe the only reason for 802 to charter two groups 
for this work other than (or maybe including) the items listed above 
is people and politics. Those are good reasons, just not good enough. 
We have used them before but they are an admission of our failure to 
nurture a compromise or reach a true consensus.

It seems like the task list above is large enough for the sum of 
folks willing to do work from both groups.

I am truly eager to hear arguments to the contrary.

Best regards,

Geoff



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