Re: [STDS-802-16] Fwd: 802.20 Voted Positions on 802.16e and g PARS
I think there is something of a lesson to be learned here, regarding
what is appropriate for a WG to do, in the context of the current PAR
activity in 802.16 and 802.18.
We have heared comment suggesting that the 802.18SG1 proposal for an
802.22 WG is a violation of procedure and overlaps with the scope of
802.16 heavily and so we should take drastic measures such as directing
the chair to vote against the PAR.
At the same time, 802.20 have argued in the rational in the powerpoint
below, that 802.16e fails to have distinct identity from their PAR and
have gone ahead and directed their chair to vote against it. For good
measure, they've done the same to the .16g PAR, by trying (erroneously I
feel) to argue that it is tied to the .16e scope.
I and I assume the majority of .16, based on today's voting, think that
what we are doing with the .16e PAR is reasonable and is to some extent
a compromise and to some extent a harmonization of views and wills
within .16. Accordingly I find 802.20's actions to be totally
unwarranted and the sort of intrusive and unreasonable behaviour that we
should not tolerate in IEEE 802.
So how does this make us look if we turn around and direct our chair to
vote against the 802.22 PAR, rather requiring him to justify his
position? I suggest that it puts us in the same position with respect to
802.18SG1 as 802.20 are with respect to us.
My personal conviction is that 802.18 actually have our better interests
at heart. They have worked consistently to improve the regulatory
environment we work within and have served us well with provision of the
spectrum and improvement of spectrum regulations that are the lifeblood
of IEEE 802 wireless groups. This current 802.22 proposal seen in the
light of the constraints 802.18SG1 are working within, trying to achieve
a compromise acceptable to broadcasters, the IEEE, equipment
manufacturers, operators and the FCC on access to TV bands makes some
sense. The apparently informal nature of the process followed in the
submission of the 802.22 PAR is consisent with the somewhat informal
nature of 802.18, consistent with its size. We are judging them harshly
on these matters.
Therefore I am in favour of the 802.16 response that emphasised
improving our understanding of the proposal, and reject the notion that
we simply reject the proposal. I think there is much to be learned about
what is driving these PAR proposals that will help us understand the
nature and suitability of the proposal.
We are in a situation where we can take a more principled position and
direct our ire in the direction of those who are seeking to block our
progress, rather than those who actually are delivering the spectrum
goods.
Accordingly I think that directing the 802.16 chair to request a
withdrawl of the 802.20 PAR at the EC is a far more reasonable action
than directing him to vote against the 802.22 PAR.
I think there is a strong rational for such action, given the net
negative effect that 802.20 has had on the operation of other groups I
am familiar with, including 802.16e, the Netman SG, the handover ECSG
and the EC, compared to their rate of work and their technical output
that has amounted to nothing to date.
Unless I am pursuaded otherwise in the interim period, I plan to make
such a motion at the 802.16 closing plenary.
Regards,
DJ
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Subject: [STDS-802-16] Fwd: 802.20 Voted Positions on 802.16e and g PARS
The referenced attachment is at
<http://ieee802.org/secmail/bin00165.bin> -Roger
>All,
>The 802.20 Working Group passed two Directed Position motions regarding
>the 802.16e and g PARs. Both motions direct the Chair to vote against
>approving the PARs. Attached are the motions and the associated
>rationale as discussed and approved by the members.
>I have also placed a paper copy in your office folders.
>Regards,
>Jerry Upton
>Chair, IEEE 802.20