Re: [STDS-802-16] Draft PAR for 802.16h (License-exempt coexisten ce)
Shankar,
The
pointes raised by you were discussed during the Seoul meeting and
Phil
response reflects very well our understanding. Supplementary, the
SG for
LE Coexistence shall address coexistence, not data transmission in
LE bands.
Phil made an interesting point here: the Nomadic
service can be bundled
with the Fix one, as the user terminal is "stationary while in use"
- see
ITU-R
F.1399.
These
two applications cover probably the existing LE market, and in
the
same
time give a good focus for the target to be achieved in the first
phase.
The coexistence between full mobile systems is a
difficult problem. I would
first address that in licensed bands, the
regulatory solutions being too hard
to implement (see the 2.6GHz masks when the
operators complaint about
mutual
interference).
Regards,
Mariana
See my comments
in-line.
Thanks,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:13
PM
Subject: [STDS-802-16] Draft PAR for 802.16h
(License-exempt coexistence)
> Folks,
>
> The msg below from
Roger describes an 802.16 Letter Ballot that
> closes on Sept
22:
> "To forward, to the IEEE 802 LMSC Executive Committee,
IEEE
> 802.16-04/56 <http://ieee802.org/16/docs/04/80216-04_56.pdf>
> (Draft PAR and Five Criteria for an IEEE 802.16
Project on
> License-Exempt Coexistence)".
>
> The
License-Exempt study group was a good idea, and
> moving this up to a
full task group is also a good idea.
> I almost voted to approve this
instantly, but then
> noticed a constraint that was added to the
title
> recently. I am sorry to have missed the
> Seoul meeting
and bringing up this matter now.
> I would like to know the
reason
> for the added restriction on the PAR title.
> I would
also like feedback on the two items
> proposed at the end.
>
> The http://www.ieee802.org/16/le/docs/80216le-04_06.pdf> document indicates that the word "fixed" was added
to
> the title of the new PAR which currently reads as follows:
>
Amendment to IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan
> Area Networks -
Part 16: Air Interface for Fixed Broadband
> Wireless Access Systems -
Improved Coexistence in License-Exempt Bands
>
> I realize that
802.16h will be an amendment to 802.16-2004
> which is only for fixed.
Also that even in 802.16e,
> license-exempt is limited to fixed use. But
there
> is an increasing level of interest in
> innovative use of
license-exempt bands for fixed and
> non-fixed terminals. For example,
one big development is the
> proposed unlicensed use of sub-1 GHz TV
bands in the US
> for fixed and non-fixed. And others may
follow.
> One would expect that non-fixed, whether it is
>
tetherless or nomadic or portable or mobile
> will start being used in
license-exempt bands.
>
> In the interest of working towards some
of
> these new developments, let me propose that:
>
> 1.
The word "fixed" should be removed from the
> 802.16h PAR title?
Hopefully this will maintain
> some flexibility in addressing
non-fixed
> use of license-exempt spectrum.
>
[Phil Barber] The current
IEEE 802.16-2004 document supports fixed (as defined in the standard, which
may include nomadic use) service in LE bands. 802.16e PAR specifies
application in licensed bands only. Since any LE TG would be an amendment
document to IEEE 802.16-2004, as modified and amended by 802.16e, 16f, and
16g, the contemplated LE TG would be similarly constrained until such time as
a new PAR defining LE 802.16 mobility service is considered and approved.
Until that time, it would be out-of-scope for any LE TG to address
functionality not supported in the current or pending standard projects. Leave
the word 'fixed' in; take it out. It makes no difference. Presence of the term
does not affect the inherited restriction. Unless we are considering starting
a new project for 802.16 LE mobility in the near future, we are probably best
served leaving the 'fixed' in the proposed scope.
> 2. Reference to 802.16e should be added in the PAR
(similar
> to the 802.16g PAR) to further the potential use
> of
licensed-exempt for non-fixed.
[Phil Barber] Same as above. Little point referencing
an amendment that has no LE element to it. Just to emphasis the point, it
would be a very bad idea to try to define 802.16 mobility LE remediation
techniques through the LE TG when we have not even
begun to consider 802.16 LE mobility features, function, and
behavior.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -
Shankar
>
> =======================================
> N. K.
Shankaranarayanan
> AT&T Labs-Research
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> email:
shankar@research.att.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger B. Marks
[mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:43
PM
> To: stds-802-16@ieee.org>
Subject: +++IEEE 802.16 Letter Ballot #15 (on LE PAR) is now open+++
>
>
> To: IEEE 802.16 Reflector
> bcc: IEEE 802.16
Working Group Members
> <http://ieee802.org/16/members.html>
>
> IEEE 802.16 Working Group Letter Ballot #15 is
now open, through 22
> September 2004. The ballot is on the following
question:
>
> "To forward, to the IEEE 802 LMSC Executive
Committee, IEEE
> 802.16-04/56 <http://ieee802.org/16/docs/04/80216-04_56.pdf>
> (Draft PAR and Five Criteria for an IEEE 802.16
Project on
> License-Exempt Coexistence)".
>
> The decision
to carry out this letter ballot was made at the Closing
> Plenary of
IEEE 802.16's Session #33, following discussions within
> IEEE 802.16's
Study Group on License-Exempt Coexistence
> <http://ieee802.org/16/le>.
>
> The announcement document:
> Title:
"IEEE 802.16 Working Group Letter Ballot #15: Announcement"
>
Document Number: IEEE 802.16-04/57
> URL: <http://ieee802.org/16/docs/04/80216-04_57.pdf>
>
> details the procedures. It also tells
you how to participate and
> explains the Members' obligation to do so.
"Membership shall be lost
> if two consecutive, or two of any three
consecutive, Working Group
> letter ballots for which the member was
eligible are not returned or
> are returned with an abstention other
than for 'lack of technical
> expertise'." You can check your recent
balloting history:
>
<http://ieee802.org/16/tge/ballot14/report14.html>.
>
<http://ieee802.org/16/tgd/ballot13/report13.html>
>
> Don't forget the deadline of 22
September 2004.
>
> The ballot submission form is available
at:
> http://ieee802.org/16/le/ballot15/ballotform15.html>
> Results will be posted, as they are received,
at:
> http://ieee802.org/16/le/ballot15/report15.html>
> Roger
>
>
> --
>
> Dr. Roger B. Marks <mailto:marks@nist.gov> +1 303 497
3037 National
> Institute of Standards and Technology/Boulder, CO, USA
Chair, IEEE
> 802.16 Working Group on Broadband Wireless Access
>
<http://WirelessMAN.org>
>
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