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Re: [RPRWG] IEEE 802.17 Balloting Instructions

Bob Castellano brings up some good questions that everyone ought to know the answers to, and probably does if they have been involved in IEEE 802 for 10 or more years. 
 
For those of you that have not mis-spent your last 10 years, here are the answers:
 
All NO votes must be based on issues brought up during the balloting period.  If all issues that have caused a voter to issue a NO vote have been addressed to that voter's satisfaction, then the voter no longer has a valid NO vote.  However, the voter must state that the issues have been resolved before his no vote is converted. 
 
There is no requirement for the working group to address issues brought up after the ballot period closes.  Note, however, that in the process of resolving comments, additional errors in the standard are often uncovered by the ballot resolution group / editors.  In IEEE 802.5 we had a separate category for new issues that were uncovered during ballot resolution and the working group always worked to resolve these issues, although they were not associated with NO votes. 
 
If a commenter votes NO without providing specific changes for converting that NO vote, then the NO vote may be declared invalid and thrown out.
 
Balloters may not register NO votes based on issues uncovered after the ballot has closed.  However, it is acceptable to change your vote to a NO during a recirculation ballot based on information learned from reading the other comments, and / or based on changes made to the draft to resolve issues.  This capability is what drives the rules for recirculation ballots.
 
The working group can decide to address new issues not uncovered during the voting or ballot resolution process, but is under no obligation to do so.  They are, however, leaving the draft subject to being rejected by voters during the LMSC ballot.  Therefore, concerns with the standard are normally addressed fully prior to LMSC balloting.
 
Best regards,
 
Robert D. Love
Chair, Resilient Packet Ring Alliance
President, LAN Connect Consultants
7105 Leveret Circle     Raleigh, NC 27615
Phone: 919 848-6773       Mobile: 919 810-7816
email: rdlove@xxxxxxxx          Fax: 208 978-1187
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [RPRWG] IEEE 802.17 Balloting Instructions

John,
 
No problem.  I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a "Netscape problem", similar
to the ones I had before.   I think it would be really useful to writeup the
balloting process, so that people clearly understand the implications of
their vote.  Also, understanding the comment resolution process.  Understanding
scenarios like, if all the TR comments of a commentor are addressed are they obligated to
change a NO vote to a vote to approve.  How is a commentor's "NO vote"
"officially" handled if they do not provide any TR comments.  Does
it stand as a "NO", changed to a "Yes", or thrown out?  Are commentor's
allowed to continue to vote "NO", if their original comments have been
addressed, but they bring up a new reason which was previously in
the document that was balloted and not due to a change from the
previous version.
 
 
 
        thanks,
 
        bob
 
Robert Castellano
Jedai Broadband Networks
(732) 758-9900 x236
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:jhawkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:31 AM
To: 'rc'; RDLove
Subject: RE: [RPRWG] IEEE 802.17 Balloting Instructions

Hi Bob,
 
You don't see the file 'cause I never created it!  One of those things that fell through the proverbial crack. I know Bob sent out several emails with instructions and clarifications. Also, the ballot itself was built to be self-explanatory (wishful thinking I know).
 
Before we vote again, I'll compose a more comprehensive "help" doc for this purpose. I won't undertake that right now as there is no vote underway.
 
john
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Castellano [mailto:rc@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:53 PM
To: RDLove
Cc: Hawkins, John [WWP1:2268:EXCH]
Subject: RE: [RPRWG] IEEE 802.17 Balloting Instructions

Bob,
 
I receive an error when I try this link.  This may be one of the reasons
why people are not following the process as requested.
 
        thanks,
 
        bob c.
 
Robert Castellano
Jedai Broadband Networks
(732) 758-9900 x236
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-stds-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of RDLove
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:28 AM
To: 802.17
Subject: Fw: [RPRWG] IEEE 802.17 Balloting Instructions

All, on August 10th I posted the balloting instructions attached to the bottom of a long note.  Since then I have received two requests for instructions on posting the ballots.  Here are the concise balloting instructions for the Terms and Definitions draft, without the excess verbiage contained in the first note.
 
(John Hawkins, please post the full balloting instructions at http://www.ieee802.org/17/documents/drafts/Ballot_instr.txt, as indicated in the August 10th note) 
 
Best regards,
 
Robert D. Love
Chair, Resilient Packet Ring Alliance
President, LAN Connect Consultants
7105 Leveret Circle     Raleigh, NC 27615
Phone: 919 848-6773       Mobile: 919 810-7816
email: rdlove@xxxxxxxx          Fax: 208 978-1187
 
 
- - - - - - - - - - - - Balloting Information - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

PLEASE RESPOND NO LATER THAN August 31, 2001
COMMENTS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AFTER September 8, 2001
RETURN ALL BALLOTS & COMMENTS BY E-MAIL TO:

E-MAIL: jhawkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and bob.sultan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

----- Please use 1 of the following 4 Subject lines on your email ballot --------

P802.17 TD1.0 RESPONSE = APPROVE WITH COMMENT
P802.17 TD1.0 RESPONSE = APPROVE WITH COMMENT
P802.17 TD1.0 RESPONSE = DISAPPROVE [comment(s) enclosed]
P802.17 TD1.0 RESPONSE = ABSTAIN 

----- Begining of Ballot Form.  Cut and paste text below this line only please --------

TA Document IEEE802.17-11Jul2001/:7, July 11, 2000
Working Group Ballot August, 2001
(Terms and Definitions for Resilient Packet Ring)


Your Name:___________________________


___    APPROVE WITHOUT COMMENT

___    APPROVE WITH COMMENTS

___    DO NOT APPROVE (Please attach specific comments for remedy)

___    ABSTAIN,   List Reason i.e. Lack of Expertise, Lack of Time:  ____________________________

------ END OF BALLOT SECTION -------

IF YOU ARE VOTING "APPROVE WITHOUT COMMENT" or ABSTAINING, YOUR WORK
IS DONE AT THIS POINT.

COMMENT INFORMATION:

COMMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE IN THE INSTANCE OF AN "APPROVE WITH COMMENT"
VOTE AND REQUIRED IN THE INSTANCE OF A "DO NOT APPROVE" VOTE.
"DO NOT APPROVE" VOTES MUST BE BACKED UP BY COMMENTS CLASSIFIED AS
"TECHNICAL REQUIRED" AND THESE MUST PROVIDE SUFFICIENT REMEDY AS
TO CHANGE THE VOTE TO AN "APPROVE" IF ADOPTED.  ALL COMMENTS SHOULD
INCLUDE CHANGES REQUIRED TO ELIMINATE THE STATED CONCERN.

PLEASE USE THE FORM BELOW FOR ALL COMMENTS. MULTIPLE COMMENTS CAN BE
SUBMITTED IN ONE ASCII TEXT FILE OR E-MAIL. SIMPLY ADD YOUR PERSONAL DATA
AND THEN COPY THE LINES FOLLOWING        "------ COMMENT SECTION -------"
AND REPEAT AS OFTEN AS REQUIRED WITHIN THE FILE OR EMAIL. PLEASE USE THE
FORMAT BELOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMENTS ARE IN ASCII FORM AND THAT
EACH COMMENT INCLUDES: 
CommenterName:
CommenterEmail:
CommenterPhone:
CommenterCellPhone:
CommenterCompany:

Acceptable comment types:
E  = Editorial
T  = Technical
TR = Technical Required

------ COMMENT SECTION -------
Comments on P802.17/TD1.0

CommenterName:
CommenterEmail:
CommenterPhone:
CommenterCellPhone:
CommenterCompany:
Clause: 
Subclause:
Page:
Line:
CommentType (E, T or TR):
Comment #: 
Comment:


CommentEnd:
SuggestedRemedy:


RemedyEnd:

- - - - - - - - - - END OF BALLOT FORM - - - - - - - - - - - -

If you should have any questions, problems or comments please contact:

Mike Takefman
Chair, IEEE P802.17 Working Group
Office: 613-271-3399
takf@xxxxxxxxx

Bob Love
Vice-Chair, IEEE 802.17 Working Group
Office: 919-848-6773  Fax: 208-978-1187
rdlove@xxxxxxxx

Bob Sultan
Editor, Terms and Definitions Section for IEEE 802.17 Working Group
Office:  845 731-211
bob.sultan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

John Hawkins
Co-Webmaster, IEEE 802.17 Working Group
Office: 770 705-708-7375
jhawkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx