RE: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG electronic voting]
Title: RE: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG electronic voting]
If I
understand the proposal correctly, this change will enable Working Group level
votes by email (i.e.. 802.17, 802.3, 802.thingy, will be able to hold an
official vote via email). Am I right on that? Or is this addressing SEC-level
voting (i.e.. Mike Takefman, Geoff Thompson, whoever chairs 802.thingy, can
vote on SEC items just like they do on Monday mornings before plenaries).
If my
interpretation is correct, read on. Otherwise, tell me to read the proposal
again and drop this email.
In
answer to Harry's question, I would say the official list
is the signup sheet(s) that circulate(s) each and every WG meeting. These
contain both the contact information (which is why you are asked to check and
correct it at each meeting) and the attendance record (so we know who has voting
rights).
The
posted versions on the website were accurate digests of this information at some
point (but remember, the paper lists are "official.") Whenever I'm given a
more accurate digest I'll post it.
Having
answered the "who votes" question, I do have some concerns. I am largely
supportive of this CONCEPT, but my questions are about the procedure (or lack
thereof):
1. How
would motions become known to the voters? Via the reflector? How are we to keep
the reflector from becoming a cacophony of motions with overlapping vote
deadlines? How do we avoid simultaneous contradictory motions
from being under consideration?
2.
Assuming we know the answer to #1 above, who decides which
votes are eligible for electronic voting vs. those that must wait for a Plenary
session? Is anything and everything up for electronic voting? This could be
controversial if not understood apriori. If I don't get approval at a plenary,
can I ask that an electronic vote be held? Vice-versa?
3.
Would this not result in poor correlation between comments and presentations
made at meetings and results of voting? At least with voting at meetings, we
have a reasonable assurance that proponents and opponents of a given motion were
given a fair hearing by the voters. In the email vote, there is no similar
assurance is there?
As
confusing and seemingly archaic as Robert's Rules are, they do protect us from
several inconsistencies that electronic balloting will open up again. (e.g.
only one main motion may be on the floor at a time, only one person
speak time and all proponents/opponents can be heard assuming they are "in
order") We will need a clearly spelled out procedure that supplements Robert's
if e-voting is to go forward. I think the SEC should propose what those
procedures/rules are, so different WG's don't adopt grossly different
practices, thus confusing us all.
As I
say, I hope we can work all this out and make this happen, but in absence of
some procedural details, we could be walking into quicksand.
john
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Mike:
How is the letter ballot sent electronically to the Working
group member?
i.e to which email account for those who
has many and
how it is authenticated?
There must exist an official WG member list?
I notice that the member's list in the members area
List of 802.17 Members
is out of date. Is this the official WG member list?
Regards,
Harry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike
Takefman [mailto:tak@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:30 PM
To: dot17
Subject: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] +++
SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++
Ballot on WG
electronic voting]
Dear RPRWGers,
here is a rule change going through the SEC - if anyone has
comments please
send them to the reflector. Otherwise
I will vote my conscience, which at
this point would
be Approve.
mike
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot
on WG electronic voting
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002
10:52:04 -0500
From: "Paul Nikolich"
<Paul.nikolich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To:
<p.nikolich@xxxxxxxx>
To: "'IEEE802'"
<stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx>
Dear SEC members,
Attached you will find the text for the SEC rules change
letter ballot on WG
Electronic Voting.
Scope: To permit voting by electronic means at the
working group level.
Purpose: To facilitate the WG consensus process.
The ballot opens March 18, 2002 and closes June 8, 2002 12
midnight EDT
(remember if you do not vote or abstain
it is equivalent to a DISAPPROVE
vote). Buzz,
please ensure this gets sent to the 802-wide email list as
well. WG chairs, please invite your WG members to comment through
you.
Regards,
--Paul Nikolich
Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Project
email: p.nikolich@xxxxxxxx
cell: 857.205.0050
mail: 18 Bishops Lane, Lynnfield, MA 01940