[RPRWG] Upcoming 2003Jul30 FAH meeting & last meeting minutes
All,
The next meeting of the FAH is as follows:
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003
Start Time: 9:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Ending Time: 12:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Parties: 32
Dial-in Number: 1-702-835-5000 (Las Vegas, Nevada)
Participant Access Code: 8021730
The minutes of the last FAH meeting follow.
I would like to add one topic to the agenda, which arose
at the meeting last week:
* A component of Table 9.4, row 10 is the following:
nrXmitRate < unreservedRate
Is this a redundant implementation of a downstream shaper?
I have heard multiple opinions, listed below, so please
review this to simplify the determination.
Yes: DVJ and John Lemon
No: Necdet
DVJ
David V. James
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From: David V James [dvj@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Topic: Fairness adhoc minutes, 2003Jul22 19:30-21:00
RPR Plenary meeting, Hyatt Regency
Attending:
Leon Bruckman leonb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Frederick Davik: bjornfd@xxxxxxxxx
Chang Huang: huang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
David James: dvj@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Tom Mathey: tmathey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Harry Peng: hpeng@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bob Sultan: ra_sultan@xxxxxxxxx
Necdet Uzun: nuzun@xxxxxxxxx
Subscriber list:
Khaled Amer: amer@xxxxxxxxxxx
Leon Bruckman leonb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Frederick Davik: bjornfd@xxxxxxxxx
Stein Gjessing: steing@xxxxxxxxx
Chang Huang: huang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
David James: dvj@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Kshitij Kumar kkumar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
John Lemon: JLemon@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Robert D. Love: rdlove@xxxxxxxx
Paritosh Kulkarni: paritosh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tom Mathey: tmathey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Harry Peng: hpeng@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
K. K. Ramakrishnan kkrama@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yan Robichaud yan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jon Schuringa: jon.schuringa@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Bob Sultan: ra_sultan@xxxxxxxxx
Necdet Uzun: nuzun@xxxxxxxxx
Dongmei Wang mei@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Michael Allen mallen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Fairness AdHoc:
1) Review the classA0 problem and potential conclusions.
First, the shaperD problem has to be fixed, so simulations are relevant.
The current shaperD does not work (Chang), but (a) or (b+c) might fix
it.
Stein and Jon simulation concern:
could not fully simulate since STQ bug prevents from filling
a) (DVJ) Downstream shaper applies to STQ (as well as add)
b) (Chang) Downstream shaper applies to all add (including classA1)
c) (Necdet) Resimulation to include nrxmitRate>unReserved rate as a
congestion condition detection (in addition to D2.3)
thereby limiting all but classA0.
d) (Li Mo) Adjust STQ size, so that current jitter can be achieved
(equation is TBD)
It may be possible that equation can be generalized
for larger jitters as well (this is TBD).
==> a possibly severe limit on levels of supportable
classA1 traffic.
Ready cut-and-paste into the next draft, available by 2003Aug15.
Harry and DVJ pontificated.
Harry noted that cost of solution and likihood of problem scenario
must be considered when evaluating answers.
Current scenario of problem (DVJ 2003Aug01):
- need typo updates
- needs agreed upon simulation documentation
- equations that illustrate the problem are required
AdHoc meeting on 2003Aug06 9:00 (TBD) to discuss progress.
2) Assumptions for simulations in general:
The level of classA1 traffic would be <75%(?).
Clarify that we assume:
(stqFull-stqLowThreshold)*rate < RTT
3)Review the classB requirements and potential solutions
Necdet: (classA1+classB) < STQ/RTT
AdHoc: (classA0+classA1+classB) <
~90% of LBW for single-transit buffer
~100% of LBW for dual transit buffer
And, for dual-transit, level of supportable classB
is not affected by the size of the STQ
Issue: (Necdet) The classB levels may affect the levels of supportable
classA1.
(DVJ) The goal and expected implementation are that
classB levels do not affect the levels of supportable
classA1.
TBDs:
- Review the classA1 problem and potential solutions
- Review the classB problem and potential solution
- Normalized fairRate values
- Mike's FRTT proposal evaluation
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-stds-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Necdet Uzun
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:40 AM
>> To: stds-802-17@xxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [RPRWG] FAH meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> We will have a FAH meeting on this Wednesday at 9:30AM PT (ending at
>> 10:30AM).
>>
>> David would you please set up a conference call for this (I can not set
>> up a call for more that 15 people).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Necdet
>>