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RPRWGers, the ITU SG 13 sent .1 and .3ah a liaison on OAM for Ethernet. It is too big to send out, but I suggest that those of you who might care ping me and I will send it out to you. mike -- Michael Takefman tak@xxxxxxxxx Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8 voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991