RE: [RPRWG] RPR over wireless links

["Castellano, Robert" <RCastellano@xxxxxxxxx>]

Title: RE: [RPRWG] RPR over wireless links

Hi,

Total RTT propagation delay on 2000Km fiber ring is around 10.6ms.

If 10.6ms total RTT propagation delay is maintained, it should be within the
bounds of the current MAC.

You mentioned that progation delay is not included in the 100usec delay value.
What is the free space propagation delay of the microwave signal?

        thanks,

        robert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: goy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:goy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:18 AM
> To: Castellano, Robert
> Cc: stds-802-17@xxxxxxxx; 'Mike Takefman'
> Subject: RE: [RPRWG] RPR over wireless links
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> Talking to our modem people the PHY delay in a wireless hop
> is up to 100
> mikro seconds/hop.
> This includes SDH, modem and coding/decoding delay.
> Propagation delay is
> not included.
> Typically wireless ring networks have 5-10 hops and
> hoplengths around 5 -
> 15 km.
> This means that the physical layer delay will be the most
> dominant part in
> these networks.
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> So my wonder is if the RPR functionality (fairness and protection) can
> still be conserved with
> link rates of 155 Mbits/s in the above mentioned ring structure?
> How much RTT delay is acceptable for the RPR MAC protocol?
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> Thanks  Geir Åge Øye
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> Hi,
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> It would be nice to know what the worst case link delays or
> ring RTT could
> be supported by the fairness algorithm
> at 155Mbps.
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>         thanks,
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>         robert
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:18 AM
> > To: goy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: stds-802-17@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [RPRWG] RPR over wireless links
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> > Geir,
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> > I have not really heard of anyone planning RPR over Wireless
> > but in theory there is no reason why it could not work.
> >
> > Right now, the slowest SONET PHY that RPR supports is
> > 155 Mb/s. Which fits into the range you were looking at.
> >
> > However, the design of the MAC was assuming
> > fiber media, which had a very low bit error rate. I am
> > aware that SONET radio links do exist and often include
> > FEC coding schemes to decrease the error performance
> > of the links.
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> > As to the additional link delays that could occur due
> > to coding schemes, there are simulation models for
> > RPR that could be modified to include such effects.
> > If the delays were large enough, there could be
> > issues with fairness.
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> > I cannot comment on Silicon Providers plans / products.
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> > cheers,
> >
> > mike
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> > goy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> > > Hello
> > > Currently I'm study the applicability of using the RPR
> standard and
> > > functionality over
> > > wireless ring structures, or as a combination of fiber links.
> > > This means that the typical data rates would be from STM-1
> > - 4*STM-1.
> > > Even data rates as low as 100 Mbit/s could be interesting
> > in the entreprice
> > > access market.
> > >
> > > So the I would like to ask the subscribers if anyone has planns or
> > > any other comments on using the RPR over a wireless media
> > and with such low
> > > data rates?
> > >
> > > Question of interest:
> > >    Could wireless link quality be any problem?
> > >    Loss rate and faiding charcteristics?
> > >    Delay/hop requierement for low capacity links to
> maintain the RPR
> > >    functionality?
> > >    Silicon providers for low capacity?
> > >
> > >
> > >    Geir Åge Øye
> > >    Nera Research
> > >    Research Scientist
> > >    Phd Applied Mathemathics
> > >    Phone +47 55225559
> > >    Fax +47 55225299
> > >    goy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > --
> > Michael Takefman              tak@xxxxxxxxx
> > Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
> > Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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