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The SABSG is having an adhoc conference call tomorrow. The presentations are available at http://www.ieee802.org/17/documents/presentations/oct2004/index.htm dial in details had been sent out previously cheers, mike -- Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8 voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991