Re: [RPRWG] 802.11 Proposed PAR for Consideration: P802.11w under 30-day rule
Stuart,
Thanks for the note. I'll take this discussion off the reflector and reply to just you and Jesse (once I get his email) about my concerns. If anyone else in the P802.17 WG is interested in this, I can speak to it during the Atlanta meeting when the PAR comes up for WG consideration.
jl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Stuart J. Kerry
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:34 PM
To: STDS-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [RPRWG] 802.11 Proposed PAR for Consideration: P802.11w
under 30-day rule
Mike,
(Michael Takefman- Chair 802.17)
I have been watching your 802.17 reflector traffic on the subject of the
802.11w PAR and have received a reply from the Study Group Chair Jesse
Walker which I feel helps your groups understanding of the criteria of this
PAR.
Please feel free to contact me or Jesse Walker directly if we can help
further.
Regards,
Stuart
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[mailto:STDS-802-11@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Walker, Jesse
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:46 PM
To: STDS-802-11@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802-11WG] [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] 802.11 Proposed PAR for
Consideration: P802.11w under 30-day rule]
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Stuart,
Thank you for bring this to my attention.
Presumably the Task Group would, if approved, decide how to fulfill the PAR.
My expectation is, however, that 802.11w would extend 802.11i to apply to
802.11 management frames as well as data frames, as this would be the
simplest solution.
It is worth noting that 802.1ae has no relevance to the problem posed by the
PAR. The PAR was written to address 802.11 management frames. 802.11
management frames are control messages purely internal to the 802.11 MAC,
and are invisible to all higher layers, including 802.1. 802.1ae, on the
other hand, applies only to what 802.11 views as data messages, i.e., to
messages that are transmitted across the MAC-SAP via the UNITDATA
primitives.
-- Jesse
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart J. Kerry [mailto:stuart@ok-brit.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:37 AM
> To: Walker, Jesse
> Cc: STDS-802-11@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: RE: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] 802.11 Proposed PAR for
Consideration:
> P802.11w under 30-day rule]
>
>
>
> Jesse,
>
> I believe that you should look at the attached email slices concerning
> your 802.11w PAR for the WG, regarding the conversation that is going
> on
within
> the 802.17 reflector.
>
> / Stuart
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-17@listserv.ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-17@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Lemon
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: STDS-802-17@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] 802.11 Proposed PAR for
Consideration:
> P802.11w under 30-day rule]
>
> I did not see such detail in the PAR.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Takefman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:33 AM
> To: STDS-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] 802.11 Proposed PAR for
> Consideration: P802.11w under 30-day rule]
>
>
> Interesting point, I haven't looked at the PAR closely, but is any of
this
> using their existing security features or going to use features in
> 802.1af?
>
> mike
>
> John Lemon wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > I think we should ask whether this should come under 802 instead of
> 802.11
> in order to assure that the same or similar mechanisms are used to
provide
> security for management frames of other MACs and maybe also bridge
> management frames.
> >
> > jl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-stds-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > [mailto:owner-stds-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike
Takefman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:52 AM
> > To: STDS-802-17@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: [RPRWG] [Fwd: [802SEC] 802.11 Proposed PAR for
Consideration:
> > P802.11w under 30-day rule]
> >
> >
> > Dear RPRWGers,
> >
> > our first PAR to consider in the March meeting.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [802SEC] 802.11 Proposed PAR for Consideration: P802.11w
> > under 30-day rule
> > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:59:21 -0800
> > From: Stuart Kerry <stuart.kerry@PHILIPS.COM>
> > Reply-To: stuart.kerry@PHILIPS.COM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 802 ExCom members,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am writing to notify you of*/ /*one 802.11 PAR that arose
out
> of
> > the Working Group's January 2005 Monterey Interim session.
This
> > PAR work was done by the Advanced Security Study Group and
> > presented for approval by the WG membership. The WG chair had
> > clarified a quorum was present, by confirming that there
were*/
> > /*327 voters present at the session out of the 493 total
802.11
> > voting membership.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The documentation for this PAR is included for you and your groups
> review.
> >
> >
> >
> > *P802.11w: Protected Management Frames (amendment to 802.11)*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > . Study Group Vote: passes 23:0:4**
> >
> > //. ////WG Vote: passes 106 : 0 : 2///*//*/
> >
> > //. //The TGw Chair is to be confirmed at the March 2005
> > session, but the current Study Group Chair Jesse Walker has offered
> > his name for consideration./*//*/
> >
> > // //
> >
> > 802.11 intends to request forwarding the PAR to NesCom at the close
of
> > the March EC meeting and will be pre-submitting them to NesCom*/./*
> > Should a request to forward be denied, the appropriate item will be
> > pulled from NesCom's agenda.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Stuart J. Kerry
> >
> > Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG
> >
> >
> >
> > Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
> >
> > 1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ,
> >
> > San Jose, CA 95131-1706,
> >
> > United States of America.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356
> >
> > Fax: +1 (408) 474-5343
> >
> > Cell: +1 (408) 348-3171
> >
> > eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com <mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com>
> >
> > _______________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > --
> > Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> > Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
> > Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> > 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> > voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991
>
>
> --
> Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991
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