Re: [802.19] FW: [802SEC] P1900.7 PAR: MAC and PHY Radio Specification
Hi Stanislav,
There was majority but not unanimous consent in SCC41 that P1900.7 would
not overlap with IEEE802.19.1. As the PAR does not tell anything about
how coexistence will be solved in the design of the PHY and MAC, it is
feasible that the WS radio design include some kind of coexistence
protocol and procedures in the MAC layer or the MAC management entity
which is equivalent to what IEEE802.19.1 is doing above the MAC layer.
Take a look into IEEE802.16h to see how a coexistence protocol may
become part of the MAC layer.
Unfortunately I missed the final call for resolving the IEEE802.19.1
related comments to propose an explicit note in the PAR that the project
will not implement any coexistence functionality in the MAC layer to
prevent overlap with IEEE802.19.1. As written and proposed now to the
NesCom I would say, the PAR does not preclude overlap with IEEE802.19.1.
Bye
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: ext Stanislav Filin [mailto:sfilin@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:02 AM
To: STDS-802-19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.19] FW: [802SEC] P1900.7 PAR: MAC and PHY Radio
Specification
Dear Steve and All,
Definitely, we discussed in WS Radio group whether P802.19.1 has similar
scope with P1900.7 or not. Our conclusion was that it is not due to the
following reasons:
1. P1900.7 is going to develop PHY and MAC for WS radio system, but
P802.19.1 does not develop any new PHY and MAC.
2. P1900.7 PAR does not mention about coexistence.
So, we did not have any rationale to indicate P802.19.1 as a project
with similar scope. Rather I see P802.19.1 and P1900.7 as complimentary
to each other.
If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.
Best regards, Stanislav Filin.
Shellhammer, Steve wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
>
> If 802.19 would like to put together comments on the
> PAR, Paul Nikolich informs me that we can provide them to Jon Rosdahl
> and Jon can provide them to the NesCom committee.
>
>
>
> Is there a volunteer to draft a short comment
> regarding adding P802.19.1 as a related project? Tuncer is this
> something you could do?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Paine [mailto:richard.h.paine@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2010 8:37 PM
> *To:* Shellhammer, Steve
> *Cc:* STDS-802-19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [802.19] FW: [802SEC] P1900.7 PAR: MAC and PHY Radio
> Specification
>
>
>
> Steve, at a minimum, you should flag that 802.19 was not mentioned in
> the PAR and it is another activity developing specifications in the
> White Space.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Shellhammer, Steve
> <sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> IEEE SCC41 has developed a PAR for a MAC/PHY in the TVWS.
> Roger Marks pointed this out and it was suggested that 802 provide
> feedback.
>
> It looks like NesCom will vote on this PAR on January 21 so if
> comments are to be provided it should be before then.
>
> Here is a link to the PAR,
>
>
http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/scc41/adhoc-wsr/contrib/scc41-ws-radio-10
-0029-10.pdf
>
> If anyone has any comments or questions please reply-all to
> this email. One of the authors of the PAR is a participant in 802.19
> so he may be able to answer questions directly.
>
> At a minimum this represents another MAC/PHY in the band so
> coexistence is an issue.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@xxxxxxxx <mailto:STDS-802-SEC@xxxxxxxx>] On
> Behalf Of Riegel, Maximilian (NSN - DE/Munich)
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:34 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] P1900.7 PAR: MAC and PHY Radio Specification
>
> FYI: The text of the 1900.7 PAR is available by
>
http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/scc41/adhoc-wsr/contrib/scc41-ws-radio-10
> -0029-10.pdf
>
<http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/scc41/adhoc-wsr/contrib/scc41-ws-radio-1
0%0d%0a-0029-10.pdf>
>
> It would be great to see a response of 802 to this PAR.
>
> Bye
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx <mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx>]
> On Behalf Of ext Mody, Apurva (US SSA)
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:36 AM
> To: Roger B. Marks; STDS-802-SEC
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] P1900.7 PAR: MAC and PHY Radio Specification
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> Thanks for pointing this out.
>
> This is new and has not been discussed in 802 so far.
>
> Regards
>
> Apurva
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@xxxxxxxx>]
> On Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:36 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC
> Subject: [802SEC] P1900.7 PAR: MAC and PHY Radio Specification
>
> I see that the NesCom Continuous Processing Agenda includes:
>
> P1900.7: Standard for MAC and PHY Specification for Fixed, Nomadic,
and
> Mobile Operation of White Space Dynamic Spectrum Access Radio Systems
>
> Have folks from 802 been aware of this activity and/or engaged with
the
> PAR development? Is the draft PAR available for review?
>
> [If we've already discussed this, my apologies for my poor memory.]
>
> Roger
>
>
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