RE: [802.21] FW: [Mipshop] new charter
Ajoy,
thanks for your opinion. I guess we need to agree to disagree on this. My point on the minutes and what was actually discussed and decided at the last 802.21 stays.
Stefano
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1 [mailto:ASINGH1@motorola.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:56
> To: Faccin Stefano (Nokia-NRC/Dallas); STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802.21] FW: [Mipshop] new charter
>
>
> Hi Stefano,
>
> Let me clarify one point. I do NOT believe that re-chartering MIPSHOP
> now will make .21 life easier. 802.21 will always have option to go to
> IETF to
> modify existing IETF protocol once we know what we want from
> IETF. Just
> to give you a pointer, SeaMoby WG discussed for years information
> service and
> we could only agree to experimental protocol. So, it will be
> lot easier
> if we can discuss IS requirements as well as various protocols in IEEE
> and then go to IETF for any modification with well defined goal.
>
> Regards,
> Ajoy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefano M. Faccin [mailto:stefano.faccin@NOKIA.COM]
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:39 AM
> To: STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: [802.21] FW: [Mipshop] new charter
>
> Dear 802.21 members,
>
> based on these objections from Ajoy I realize that there may
> still be a
> lot of dissention and confusion. I think it would be useful if 802.21
> members were vocal on the MIPSHO WG mailing list to indicate
> whether you
> are interested or not in the MIPSHOP WG to adopt a charter
> that enables
> MIPSHOP to work on 802.21-related aspects taking input from 802.21 in
> terms of requirements and scenarios. As usual, in IETF the
> decision will
> be made based on rough consensus of the participants to the IETF
> discussion, not based e.g. on any decision made in 802.21 as a group.
> E.g. even if 802.21 decided that something needs to be done in a given
> WG in IETF, this is not sufficient for the work to actually happen in
> the IETF WG. However, the members of 802.21 may express their
> opinion as
> individuals, and the opinion may match what has been decided
> in 802.21.
> Therefore opinions would be very useful, and I would suggest
> submitting
> your opinions ASAP. 802.21 has a great opportunity with the MIPSHO!
> P rechartering to create a recipient ready to take 802.21
> requirements
> and carry out the work 802.21 needs to be done (no matter
> what such work
> is). It would be much more difficult to get the IETF to recharter
> MIPSHOP or another WG later on just for 802.21 needs.
>
> For those of you not on the MIPSHOP mailing list, please find
> information at
> http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mipshop-charter.html on
> how to join.
>
> Please find the charter as it is being proposed at
> http://www.geocities.com/gabriel_montenegro_2000/mipshop-charter.htm.
>
> Ajoy, by the way, either the secretary in 802.21 got the discussion
> wrong, or perhaps you read more than there is in what was actually
> discussed. I'm basing my comments on the minutes of September 22:
>
> "2.3.1. Comment: From the point of IEEE 802 wireless as
> a group to IETF,
> all the protocols on the table should be evaluated and selected in the
> same way, not only one specific protocol. Response: Just help
> people to
> understand what has been done in IETF. "
>
> "2.3.3. Ajay: In principle, 802.21 and IEEE can take a
> look at IETF
> protocols and evaluate them. We do not preclude the
> evaluation process.
> Whether the protocol is CARD or not is a different issue. "
>
> To me this in now way says that 802.21 as a group has decided to
> consider existing IETF protocols before deciding what is required from
> IETF. To my understanding the minutes state that 802.21 may evaluate
> IETF protocols and make recommendations to IETF, but we did not decide
> to put on hold the requirements for IETF until such protocol
> evaluation
> is done. Ajay, what is your understanding?
>
> Stefano
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ext Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1 [mailto:ASINGH1@motorola.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:38
> > To: Faccin Stefano (Nokia-NRC/Dallas);
> > gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com; mipshop@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [Mipshop] new charter
> >
> >
> > Hi Stefano,
> >
> > I also attended 802.21 meeting. During .21 meeting, we
> discussed that
> > 802.21 would consider existing IETF protocol before deciding
> > what is required from IETF. I guess that discussion will only
> > take place
> > once the requirements are finalized and agreed upon. If I recall
> > correctly we have not have yet agreed upon communication
> > model, although
> > we had very good discussion about that. So, my point is
> that we should
> > wait till such discussion takes place in 802.21 before adding
> > such work
> > item in MIPSHOP charter. It is very much possible that 802.21
> > will come
> > to IETF with a request to make enhancement to existing protocol or
> > define new protocol. But I guess it may be too early to make that
> > decision.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ajoy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stefano.faccin@nokia.com [mailto:stefano.faccin@nokia.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:11 AM
> > To: Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1; gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com;
> > mipshop@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [Mipshop] new charter
> >
> > Ajoy,
> > I do believe that based on discussion at the last MIPSHOP and
> > in 802.21
> > there is a clear indication that 802.21 will need some work
> to be done
> > in IETF. I agree the details have not been decided 100% yet,
> > however the
> > charter as it is being proposed is flexible enough to allow for
> > different requirements coming from 802.21 members.
> >
> > Stefano
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ext Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1 [mailto:ASINGH1@motorola.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:01
> > > To: gabriel montenegro; mipshop@ietf.org; Faccin Stefano
> > > (Nokia-NRC/Dallas)
> > > Subject: RE: [Mipshop] new charter
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Gabriel,
> > >
> > > IEEE 802.21 is still defining requirements for Information
> > > Service. So,
> > > I am not sure if it is clear yet what is needed from IETF?
> > So, do you
> > > want
> > > charter something based on assumption that 802.21 will
> > > require something
> > > from IETF or wait till 802.21 requirement analysis is complete and
> > > agreed upon.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ajoy
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mipshop-bounces@ietf.org
> [mailto:mipshop-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > Behalf Of gabriel montenegro
> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:11 AM
> > > To: mipshop@ietf.org; stefano.faccin@nokia.com
> > > Subject: [Mipshop] new charter
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > You can find the proposed new charter here:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.geocities.com/gabriel_montenegro_2000/mipshop-charter.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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