RE: [802.21] FW: [Mipshop] new charter
Hi Stefano,
Let me clarify one point. I do NOT believe that re-chartering MIPSHOP
now will make .21 life easier. 802.21 will always have option to go to
IETF to
modify existing IETF protocol once we know what we want from IETF. Just
to give you a pointer, SeaMoby WG discussed for years information
service and
we could only agree to experimental protocol. So, it will be lot easier
if we can discuss IS requirements as well as various protocols in IEEE
and then go to IETF for any modification with well defined goal.
Regards,
Ajoy
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefano M. Faccin [mailto:stefano.faccin@NOKIA.COM]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:39 AM
To: STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802.21] FW: [Mipshop] new charter
Dear 802.21 members,
based on these objections from Ajoy I realize that there may still be a
lot of dissention and confusion. I think it would be useful if 802.21
members were vocal on the MIPSHO WG mailing list to indicate whether you
are interested or not in the MIPSHOP WG to adopt a charter that enables
MIPSHOP to work on 802.21-related aspects taking input from 802.21 in
terms of requirements and scenarios. As usual, in IETF the decision will
be made based on rough consensus of the participants to the IETF
discussion, not based e.g. on any decision made in 802.21 as a group.
E.g. even if 802.21 decided that something needs to be done in a given
WG in IETF, this is not sufficient for the work to actually happen in
the IETF WG. However, the members of 802.21 may express their opinion as
individuals, and the opinion may match what has been decided in 802.21.
Therefore opinions would be very useful, and I would suggest submitting
your opinions ASAP. 802.21 has a great opportunity with the MIPSHO!
P rechartering to create a recipient ready to take 802.21 requirements
and carry out the work 802.21 needs to be done (no matter what such work
is). It would be much more difficult to get the IETF to recharter
MIPSHOP or another WG later on just for 802.21 needs.
For those of you not on the MIPSHOP mailing list, please find
information at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mipshop-charter.html on
how to join.
Please find the charter as it is being proposed at
http://www.geocities.com/gabriel_montenegro_2000/mipshop-charter.htm.
Ajoy, by the way, either the secretary in 802.21 got the discussion
wrong, or perhaps you read more than there is in what was actually
discussed. I'm basing my comments on the minutes of September 22:
"2.3.1. Comment: From the point of IEEE 802 wireless as a group to IETF,
all the protocols on the table should be evaluated and selected in the
same way, not only one specific protocol. Response: Just help people to
understand what has been done in IETF. "
"2.3.3. Ajay: In principle, 802.21 and IEEE can take a look at IETF
protocols and evaluate them. We do not preclude the evaluation process.
Whether the protocol is CARD or not is a different issue. "
To me this in now way says that 802.21 as a group has decided to
consider existing IETF protocols before deciding what is required from
IETF. To my understanding the minutes state that 802.21 may evaluate
IETF protocols and make recommendations to IETF, but we did not decide
to put on hold the requirements for IETF until such protocol evaluation
is done. Ajay, what is your understanding?
Stefano
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1 [mailto:ASINGH1@motorola.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:38
> To: Faccin Stefano (Nokia-NRC/Dallas);
> gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com; mipshop@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Mipshop] new charter
>
>
> Hi Stefano,
>
> I also attended 802.21 meeting. During .21 meeting, we discussed that
> 802.21 would consider existing IETF protocol before deciding
> what is required from IETF. I guess that discussion will only
> take place
> once the requirements are finalized and agreed upon. If I recall
> correctly we have not have yet agreed upon communication
> model, although
> we had very good discussion about that. So, my point is that we should
> wait till such discussion takes place in 802.21 before adding
> such work
> item in MIPSHOP charter. It is very much possible that 802.21
> will come
> to IETF with a request to make enhancement to existing protocol or
> define new protocol. But I guess it may be too early to make that
> decision.
>
> Regards,
> Ajoy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stefano.faccin@nokia.com [mailto:stefano.faccin@nokia.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:11 AM
> To: Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1; gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com;
> mipshop@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Mipshop] new charter
>
> Ajoy,
> I do believe that based on discussion at the last MIPSHOP and
> in 802.21
> there is a clear indication that 802.21 will need some work to be done
> in IETF. I agree the details have not been decided 100% yet,
> however the
> charter as it is being proposed is flexible enough to allow for
> different requirements coming from 802.21 members.
>
> Stefano
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ext Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1 [mailto:ASINGH1@motorola.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:01
> > To: gabriel montenegro; mipshop@ietf.org; Faccin Stefano
> > (Nokia-NRC/Dallas)
> > Subject: RE: [Mipshop] new charter
> >
> >
> > Hi Gabriel,
> >
> > IEEE 802.21 is still defining requirements for Information
> > Service. So,
> > I am not sure if it is clear yet what is needed from IETF?
> So, do you
> > want
> > charter something based on assumption that 802.21 will
> > require something
> > from IETF or wait till 802.21 requirement analysis is complete and
> > agreed upon.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ajoy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mipshop-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mipshop-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf Of gabriel montenegro
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:11 AM
> > To: mipshop@ietf.org; stefano.faccin@nokia.com
> > Subject: [Mipshop] new charter
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > You can find the proposed new charter here:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/gabriel_montenegro_2000/mipshop-charter.htm
> >
> >
> >
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