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Some comments below. From: Hi Peretz, [VG] For the first time we had less than
five SB comments to resolve in the Sept meeting as opposed to 100s that we
normally have. Most of the SGs were pretty light with their agenda as well and
gave up their slots for Wed and Thu. As such we did not have agenda items for
Thursday. All SG Chairs were consulted on this aspect on Tuesday evening and
based on that the plan was to close at end of Wednesday. However when MRPM met
on Wed morning (AM1), based on comments and discussion it was clear that they
were not gonna get done with their PAR at Hawaii. As such in conjunction with
key MRPM folks (and MRPM SG Chair) it was thought (during Wed AM1 coffee break)
that a WG LB may be the best way to go forward with MRPM PAR. That would give
them more time to complete their PAR with a better chance of success. MRPM did
not express any interest in using the Mon/Tue evening slots that are available
during interims as well. The closing plenary was subsequently moved to Wed PM2
session. We started Wednesday pm2
session as MRPM SG session. About 15 minutes later Vivek took over and ran the
closing plenary. He is known to have gone to the airport Wednesday night. I
have witnesses on this. [VG] My own personal decision to get back
to mainland US at end of Wed was not made until late Wed afternoon. I was originally
supposed to leave on Thursday evening. The decision was made more because we
had no agenda items for Thursday. As it turns out I did eventually leave Kona
on Thursday. However, during the
closing plenary, as Vivek mentioned below, the motion on MRPM PAR was accepted.
[VG] This was the motion to conduct a WG LB
on MRPM PAR because the PAR was not yet done (and not to approve MRPM PAR as
might appear). MRPM SG met on Thursday
to continue to discuss the PAR/5C. While other WGs were having their regular
meetings, we could not because 802.21 closing plenary was already held. The
meeting we held was then called an adhoc meeting in IEEE. [VG] Even during the WG closing plenary
there were no issues to closing on Wed evening. The reason why MRPM PAR has
been in difficulty is partly because it started with another relatively
different version in Best Regards -Vivek ----- Original Message
---- From: Feder, Peretz (Peretz)
[mailto:pfeder@alcatel-lucent.com] Well Vivek, the notes clearly indicate that the SG was in an adhoc meeting and that the decision to
forward the PAR by the SG was a straw poll in
the adhoc SG meeting. [VG] I am not sure which notes are these. But as I pointed
before this motion was approved in WG meeting. So I donʼt think
the MRPM PAR was approved before the WG approved to conduct an LB. [VG] There was a motion brought forward to approve the PAR
in WG by a LB and that passed and hence this ballot is on. From: Gupta, Vivek G [mailto:vivek.g.gupta@intel.com] Peretz, The decision to conduct a LB on this PAR
was taken during the regular WG meeting. A motion was passed to that effect. Further discussion on the PAR happened in
an ad hoc group. Best Regards -Vivek From: Feder, Peretz (Peretz)
[mailto:pfeder@alcatel-lucent.com] Vivek: How can our working group consider PAR
approval LB motion for a decision taken in an ad-hoc study group meeting that
based the call for approval on a straw poll? Am I the only one failing to see the logic
and the process taken here? From: Gupta, Vivek G [mailto:vivek.g.gupta@INTEL.COM] Multi-Radio Power Management related presentations/discussions
have been going on in 802.21 for almost two years. The MRPM SG was created in July-2007. Motions to approve the PAR produced by this group failed on
two occasions in Jan-2008 and in March-2008. Thereafter this group has gone ahead and done further work.
The latest PAR from this group is now available at: http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/file/08/21-08-0250-06-mrpm-par-for-mrpm.doc Below are instructions for WG LB-3 which asks the question
to approve this PAR and forward it to 802EC for consideration at the Nov-08
meeting: http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/file/08/21-08-0281-00-0000-lb-3-instructions.doc Ballot opening Date: Sep 20, 2008 Ballot closing date: Oct 04, 2008, AOE (Anywhere
on Earth) Best Regards -Vivek |