Re: [10GBASE-T] The channel model
Chris:
Attached is the TIA letter to ICEA justifying the need for the
environmental study of UTP. An ICEA WG has been formed to address the
request.
(See attached file:
TR42_2002-06-047a_Liaison_Letter_to_ICEA_on_Environmentals.doc)
Regards,
Doug
Chris DiMinico
<cd@mohawk-cdt.com> To: Doug.Coleman@corning.com
Sent by: cc: owner-stds-802-3-10gbt@majordomo.ieee.org, Roger Karam
owner-stds-802-3-10gbt@majordom <rkaram@cisco.com>, stds-802-3-10gbt@ieee.org, xichen@marvell.com
o.ieee.org Subject: Re: [10GBASE-T] The channel model
01/15/2003 09:13 AM
Doug,
ANSI/TIA/EIA-568-B.2-1-2002 - Addendum 1 ? Transmission Performance
Specifications
for 4-pair 100 ohm Category 6 Cabling contains an informative annex (G)
addressing
cable installation in higher temperature environments. Examples of cable
length reductions based
on the specified temperature de-rating are provided in a table.
I'd welcome other input.
Regards,
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: <Doug.Coleman@corning.com>
To: "Chris DiMinico" <cd@mohawk-cdt.com>
Cc: <owner-stds-802-3-10gbt@majordomo.ieee.org>; "Roger Karam" <
rkaram@cisco.com>; <stds-802-3-10gbt@ieee.org>; <xichen@marvell.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [10GBASE-T] The channel model
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> Chris:
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> I encourage 10GBASE-T work to include environmental effects
(temperature,
> humidity, etc..) on transmission performance. ICEA is currently
> investigating environmental effects on UTP cable based on a request from
> TIA. A constant benign +23C environment should not be assumed when
> generating 10 Gbe copper cable guidance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug Coleman
> Corning Cable Systems
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> Chris DiMinico
> <cd@mohawk-cdt.com> To:
Roger Karam <rkaram@cisco.com>
> Sent by: cc:
stds-802-3-10gbt@ieee.org, xichen@marvell.com
> owner-stds-802-3-10gbt@majordom Subject:
Re: [10GBASE-T] The channel model
> o.ieee.org
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> 01/14/2003 04:46 PM
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> Roger,
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> TIA requires that measurements be performed on cable samples
> removed from the reel or packaging and laid out along a nonconducting
> surface, loosely coiled, or supported in aerial spans, with all pairs
> terminated.
> Modeling applies to this test configuations.
>
> Modeling "coiled" cable is as easy as power supply engineering.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Karam" <rkaram@cisco.com>
> To: "Chris DiMinico" <cd@mohawk-cdt.com>
> Cc: <stds-802-3-10gbt@ieee.org>; <xichen@marvell.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [10GBASE-T] The channel model
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> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > Just how much fun is it to model the coiled and the 'not coiled'
cables?
> > roger
> >
> > At 12:38 PM 1/14/2003, Chris DiMinico wrote:
> >
> > >Xiaopeng,
> > >
> > >Worst case channel models for category cables are specified in TIA
and
> ISO
> > >cabling standards.
> > >Given that one of our objectives is to operate over ISO 11801 cabling
we
> > >should use the cabling
> > >standards (ISO and TIA) channel specifications as our 10GBASE-T model
> > >baseline (whenever
> > >possible).
> > >
> > >For 1000BASE-T, the channel models we used in the matlab simulations
> > >consisted of measurements
> > >(magnitude and phase) of cabling channels scaled to the envelope of
the
> > >worst case function specified.
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <xichen@marvell.com>
> > >To: <stds-802-3-10gbt@ieee.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:44 PM
> > >Subject: [10GBASE-T] The channel model
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I would like to propose the following channel and noise model.
Then
> we
> > > > can work together to come up with a model that all of us agree on.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Channel insertion loss model: refer to the RLCG model on page
47
> of
> > > > T1E1.4/2000-002R6. Then calibrate the insertion loss (100m) at
> 100MHz
> to
> > > > 21dB for CAT-6 and 24dB for CAT-5/5E.
> > > >
> > > > 2. NEXT model: ~f^(1.5)n^(0.6) where n is number of disturbers.
In
> our
> > > > case, n=3. Then calibrate the NEXT at 100MHz to -31dB for CAT-5E
> > >and -40dB
> > > > for CAT-6.
> > > >
> > > > 3. ELFEXT model: ~f^(2)n^(0.6) where n is number of disturbers.
In
> our
> > > > case, n=3. Then calibrate the ELFEXT (100m) at 100MHz to -19dB
for
> CAT-5E
> > > > and -24dB for CAT-6.
> > > >
> > > > 4. ANEXT model:
> > > > CAT-5E: max[-65, -38+15log10(f/1e8)] dB
> > > > CAT-6: max[-65, -41+15log10(f/1e8)] dB
> > > >
> > > > 5: Tranformer model: please contribute
> > > >
> > > > Xiaopeng
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