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Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting



David;
 
Very nice summary. One comment is that I guess your Rx difference (<0.3dB) should be for nominal condition with single ONU. Considering all the worst cases such as min ER, hot/low, max. dynamic range, tight guard time etc as you analyzed, this difference could easily go up to noticeable 1-2dB for the typical off-the-shelf parts as we have observed in the lab.
 
I guess when you talked 802.3ae, you actually mean 802.3ah 1G EPON. For 10G EPON, this difference could be worsen. Not to mention the difficulties for 10G OLT RX, most experts here still use this ballpark number for the technical feasibility study. 
 
Thanks
_Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: David Li [mailto:dli@ligentphotonics.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:21 AM
To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting

It has been approved that there is no significant difference (<0.3dB) between the continuous mode sensitivity and burst mode sensitivity for a good designed burst mode receiver in the GEPON and GPON application. Theoretically, there is no any deference between the BM sensitivity and CM sensitivity, if the discharging time for the large signal and charging time for the small signal is fast enough in the amplification circuit in the burst mode receiver.
 
There are several factors that affect the burst mode receiver sensitivity in the real application.
 
1. Receiver settling time defined by the standard and application.
a. In the 802.3ae, the receiver settling time is defined as 400ns.
b. In the GEPON application in Asia, most customers tighten the receiver settling time to 64ns or 32ns.
c. In the ITU-T G.984.2 GPON application, the receiver settling time is not defined clearly, but 984.2 defined the guide time as 32bits, preamble as 44 bits, delimiter as 20bits. Normally, the received upstream signal needs to be recovered in the first 30 bits of the preamble, and the CDR needs at least 14bits to lock the signal.
 
Generally, the longer the receiver settling time allowed, the better the BM receiver sensitivity (less difference with the continuous mode senstivity) and BM dynamic range.
 
2. The coding scheme of the data
a. In the 802.3ae and GEPON application in Asia, the coding is 8B/10B. Therefore, a low time constant signal path without RESET is good enough to pass the 8B/10B code and meet the RX settling time without extra RESET circuit.
b. In the ITU-T G.984.2 GPON application, the coding is PRBS2^7-1 scramble, and the BM receiver needs to pass the 72bits CID. There is no simple circuitry to pass the scramble signal without error and meet the short RX recovering time at the same time.
 
3. RESET vs. no RESET design
a. In the GEPON application, RESET for the receiver is not needed in the burst mode receiver, due to the 8B/10B coding scheme and the longer RX Settling time requirement.
b. To handle the scramble signal with longer CID in the GPON application, (maybe the same case for the 10GEPON application with either 64B/66B or 32B/33B coding as proposed), It seems that a RESET is necessary for the industrial temperature application (-40ºC to +85ºC). Even for the comercial temperature application, the OLT receiver without RESET will generate problems when the temperature and dynamic range varies.
c. There are several GPON 1.25G OLT receiver design without RESET. As commented by Maurice, all the OLT receivers without RESET need to get the optical signal from the ONU TX with very high extinction ration (normally higher than 15dBm). The high ER is very difficult to keep through the operating temperature range. It is noticed that in the 10G XFP or XENPAK application, the ER is defined only as 6dB or 4dB (or the optical modulation amplitude is used to replace the ER in order to avoid a higher ER value).
 
4. BM dynamic range
For the GEPON and GPON application, the burst mode dynamic range (difference between two consecutive signal) is either 15dB, 21dB or 25dB, depending on the requirements in the applications.
 
The BM receiver sensitivity (or the sensitivity differnce between the BM receiver and CM receiver) is a function of the coding scheme, the RX settling time allowed in the standard, the BM dynamic range defined in the standard, and certainly the BM receiver design approach (with or w/o RESET).
 
Best regrds,
 
David
 
David Li
Ligent Photonics, Inc.
2701 Dukane Dr., Suite 102
St. Charles, IL 60174
Phone 630-513-7226 ext 15
 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:32 AM
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Maurice,
if I understand well, we will end up with a public auction this way :-) What do You think is a reasonable value to assume (the one which does not cause too significant technical challenges for TX and Rx designers) ?
Best wishes
 
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From: Maurice Reintjes [mailto:maurice.reintjes@MINDSPEED.COM]
Sent: terça-feira, 6 de Fevereiro de 2007 3:26
To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting
...ooohh   stepped in that one...   It depends greatly on the extinction ratio  The higher the ER, the easier a time of it the OLT receiver has from one
burst to the next.   The OLT designer would like to have 30db of ER, the Burst mode TX designer, 3db.  From there we start negotiating.

Best Regards

Maurice Reintjes
MindspeedTM
Hillsboro, Oregon,USA
Office Phone (503)-914-5370
Mobile (503)-701-0797

In reviewing past contributions on ways to meet the power budgets, I notice
that people often use -18 dBm as a max Rx sensitivity for PIN and -24 as max
Rx sensitivity for an APD. I presume that this is for continuous mode
operation.

What do we know about how that number will change for burst mode operation
in the upstream?

Robert

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From: Lingle, Jr, Robert (Robert) [mailto:rlingle@OFSOPTICS.COM]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting


Please find attached the notes for the first Power Budget Ad Hoc meeting.

Please direct any corrections to me.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Lingle, Jr, Robert (Robert) [mailto:rlingle@OFSOPTICS.COM]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:09 PM
To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting


All,

I will send the notes from this week's meeting tomorrow 2/2.

As discussed in the previous call, the next call(s) will occur on Tuesday
Feb 6 at 7PM EST and Wednesday Feb 7 at 9AM EST.

Notes from this week's call as well as agenda for next week will be sent
Friday.

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Robert

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