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Re: [10GMMF] TP2 call 3/24/05



TP2'rs -
 
During review of my presentation on penalties vs. EQ configurations with measured TP2 waveforms (see http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/aq/public/upload/TP2measuredwaveformpenalties_finiteEQsTP3D1.1stressors.pdf), a question came up about non-monotonic behaviors in some of the plots - where in some cases EQs with fewer taps worked better than cases with more taps.
 
Here is the explanation. It is not due to timing - timing has been optimized. It is due to the fact the EDC is based on MMSE, where it is effectively minimizing an overall rms value at the slicer input. With ISI, the pdf of the ISI/noise combination at that point may not be Gaussian. The TWDP simulator uses a bit by bit BER-based method, where outliers in the pdf can dominate the BER - and therefore - the penalty. If we could look inside, we would see that the MMSE's rms value indeed reduces monotonically with tap count (I have plots that in fact indicate that). If a EDC attempted to optimize BER, the behaviors would swap.
 
MMSE has been assumed for all of LRM's work to date, so we believe the BER/penalty behaviors observed in the plots are realistic.
 
Tom Lindsay
ClariPhy Communications
tom.lindsay@clariphy.com
phone: (425) 608-0209 or (949) 480-9210
cell: (206) 790-3240
fax: (425) 608-0232
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [10GMMF] TP2 call 3/24/05

All - here is a proposed agenda for tomorrow's call.
  • Attendance
  • Set agenda
  • Discussions
    1. Preliminary simulation results of measured waveform penalties vs. EQ lengths for three D1.1 TP3 channels
    2. Format for uploaded measured waveforms (see below)
    3. Prioritize, assign WG task list (see below)
    4. Other proposed topics?
  • Next call
 
Measured waveforms - before uploading, can each waveform be pre-processed, where pre-processing includes resampling to #nn samples per UI, truncated, and time-aligned?  If so,
  • Can suppliers of waveforms they take responsibility for their pre-processing?
  • Set #nn = 16.
  • Can the waveform be aligned to the pattern or vice versa?
  • Noise
    • 95 (back reflection spec or method/setup)
    • 98 (AC coupling?)
  • Jitter
    • 108 (jitter waveform figure)
    • 147 (uncorrelated jitter magnitude)
  • TWDP
    • 96 (editorial updates to code)
    • 146 (channels, EQ lengths, limits)
      • consideration of real Tx’s
      • work with TP3
  • 83 (OMA definitions – critical)
  • Test patterns (no comment #)
  • Mask
    • 145 (role of PE waveforms and impact to mask)
    • 64 (low cutoff frequency for mask test)
  • Others?
 
Tom
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [10GMMF] TP2 call 3/24/05

A TP2 con-call will be held during our regular time March 24. I hope to put out an agenda later today, but for now, please review http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/aq/public/upload/TP2planningforWG.ppt.
 
Call details:
  • Date: Thurs, Mar 24, 05 (regular day/time)
  • Time: 9:00 AM Pacific
  • Duration: 1:30 max
  • Number: 401-694-1515
  • Access code: 421721#
  •  
    Thanks,
    Tom Lindsay
    ClariPhy Communications
    tom.lindsay@clariphy.com
    phone: (425) 608-0209 or (949) 480-9210
    cell: (206) 790-3240
    fax: (425) 608-0232