RE: Requests for password to the protected site.
I concur to this as well!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Gary Nelson [SMTP:gnelson@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:25 PM
> To: Howard Frazier
> Cc: stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx; Rigsbee, Everett O
> Subject: Re: Requests for password to the protected site.
>
>
> Many thanks Howard. I strongly agree.
>
> Howard Frazier wrote:
>
> > I think that the policy of limiting access to the drafts to the 802.3
> membership
> > list or the 802.3ae attendance list is unnecessarily and improperly
> restrictive.
> >
> > The copyright information on the front of the draft says:
> >
> > Permission is hereby granted for IEEE Standards Committee
> participants
> > to reproduce this document for purposes of IEEE standardization
> activities.
> >
> > During 802.3z, I interpretted this to mean that any one who was
> participating
> > in the work of the 802.3z Task Force was allowed access to the draft.
> Since
> > many people participate solely via email, I considered all members of
> the
> > stds-802-3-hssg reflector to be eligible for access.
> >
> > Standards benefit from broad review. Some very useful comments were
> submitted
> > during 802.3z from people who never attended a meeting. I strongly
> encourage
> > the leadership of 802.3ae and 802.3 to reconsider the draft access
> policy, in
> > favor of a more open policy.
> >
> > Howard Frazier
> > DomiNet Systems, Inc.
> >
> > Bruce Tolley wrote:
> > >
> > > Geoff and Jonathan:
> > >
> > > Many thanks for the email.
> > >
> > > I just wanted to point out the obvious. This policy prohibits access
> to
> > > the very folks who need access: the R&D teams across the world who are
> busy
> > > building 10 GbE product.
> > >
> > > It might be time to the IEEE to rethink the IP philosophy behind the
> > > copyright. The spec only has value if it is accessible to those who
> need to
> > > implement it today and over the next year. I am guess that the IP
> lawyers
> > > have probably recommended this very policy in order to prevent the
> content
> > > of the draft entering the public domain.
> > >
> > > By restricting access the IEEE might be honoring the letter of their
> > > interpretation of the copyright law, but they are definitely lowering
> the
> > > value of the draft spec. The spec only has value if it is implemented
> so by
> > > hindering implementation this policy lessens its value.
> > >
> > > This policy not only hinders the development of products based on the
> spec
> > > but it also puts many of us in the VERY awkward position of having to
> > > resist somewhat legitimate requests to violate the the policy.
> > >
> > > Thanks for listening
> > >
> > > Bruce Tolley
> > > Enterprise Line of Business
> > > Cisco Systems
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > Bruce Tolley
> > >
> > > At 12:43 PM 10/28/00 -0700, Jonathan Thatcher wrote:
> > >
> > > >I have recently received a significant number of requests for the
> password
> > > >to the protected site. I have checked each person requesting this
> > > >information against the membership list of 802.3 and the attendees of
> > > >802.3ae. For those that were in these lists, I have forwarded the
> password.
> > > >For those that were not, I have explained that the IEEE copyright
> > > >policy/terms limit distribution to those who are attending the
> meetings.
> > > >
> > > >Because the burden of doing this is getting to be "a bit much." I
> will be
> > > >forwarding a note to all 802.3 members and all who have been
> attending
> > > >meetings informing them of the password.
> > > >
> > > >We invite all to come to the meetings and participate in the process
> (and
> > > >thereby receive the password). Information on our next meeting can be
> found
> > > >at:
> > > >http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/plenary.html
> > > >
> > > >Information on future meetings can be found in the minutes from the
> meeting.
> > > >See:
> > > >http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ae/public/sep00/minutes_0900.pdf
> > > >
> > > >Thank you for understanding,
> > > >
> > > >jonathan
> > > >
> > > >Jonathan Thatcher, Principal Engineer
> > > >Chair, IEEE P802.3ae (10 Gigabit Ethernet)
> > > >World Wide Packets
> > > >115 North Sullivan Rd
> > > >PO Box 950
> > > >Veradale WA 99037
> > > >509-242-9228; Fax 509-242-9001;
> > > >jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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