Re: Requests for password to the protected site.
Gang,
We have discussed this issue and there is wide support for relaxing access
requirements to
membership on the email reflector.
An immediate implementation of this as policy would be very helpful to all.
When can we expect a decision?
Thanks
Gary Nelson
"Anderson, Brian" wrote:
> I concur to this as well!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dr. Gary Nelson [SMTP:gnelson@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:25 PM
> > To: Howard Frazier
> > Cc: stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx; Rigsbee, Everett O
> > Subject: Re: Requests for password to the protected site.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks Howard. I strongly agree.
> >
> > Howard Frazier wrote:
> >
> > > I think that the policy of limiting access to the drafts to the 802.3
> > membership
> > > list or the 802.3ae attendance list is unnecessarily and improperly
> > restrictive.
> > >
> > > The copyright information on the front of the draft says:
> > >
> > > Permission is hereby granted for IEEE Standards Committee
> > participants
> > > to reproduce this document for purposes of IEEE standardization
> > activities.
> > >
> > > During 802.3z, I interpretted this to mean that any one who was
> > participating
> > > in the work of the 802.3z Task Force was allowed access to the draft.
> > Since
> > > many people participate solely via email, I considered all members of
> > the
> > > stds-802-3-hssg reflector to be eligible for access.
> > >
> > > Standards benefit from broad review. Some very useful comments were
> > submitted
> > > during 802.3z from people who never attended a meeting. I strongly
> > encourage
> > > the leadership of 802.3ae and 802.3 to reconsider the draft access
> > policy, in
> > > favor of a more open policy.
> > >
> > > Howard Frazier
> > > DomiNet Systems, Inc.
> > >
> > > Bruce Tolley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Geoff and Jonathan:
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for the email.
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to point out the obvious. This policy prohibits access
> > to
> > > > the very folks who need access: the R&D teams across the world who are
> > busy
> > > > building 10 GbE product.
> > > >
> > > > It might be time to the IEEE to rethink the IP philosophy behind the
> > > > copyright. The spec only has value if it is accessible to those who
> > need to
> > > > implement it today and over the next year. I am guess that the IP
> > lawyers
> > > > have probably recommended this very policy in order to prevent the
> > content
> > > > of the draft entering the public domain.
> > > >
> > > > By restricting access the IEEE might be honoring the letter of their
> > > > interpretation of the copyright law, but they are definitely lowering
> > the
> > > > value of the draft spec. The spec only has value if it is implemented
> > so by
> > > > hindering implementation this policy lessens its value.
> > > >
> > > > This policy not only hinders the development of products based on the
> > spec
> > > > but it also puts many of us in the VERY awkward position of having to
> > > > resist somewhat legitimate requests to violate the the policy.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for listening
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Tolley
> > > > Enterprise Line of Business
> > > > Cisco Systems
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Tolley
> > > >
> > > > At 12:43 PM 10/28/00 -0700, Jonathan Thatcher wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I have recently received a significant number of requests for the
> > password
> > > > >to the protected site. I have checked each person requesting this
> > > > >information against the membership list of 802.3 and the attendees of
> > > > >802.3ae. For those that were in these lists, I have forwarded the
> > password.
> > > > >For those that were not, I have explained that the IEEE copyright
> > > > >policy/terms limit distribution to those who are attending the
> > meetings.
> > > > >
> > > > >Because the burden of doing this is getting to be "a bit much." I
> > will be
> > > > >forwarding a note to all 802.3 members and all who have been
> > attending
> > > > >meetings informing them of the password.
> > > > >
> > > > >We invite all to come to the meetings and participate in the process
> > (and
> > > > >thereby receive the password). Information on our next meeting can be
> > found
> > > > >at:
> > > > >http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/plenary.html
> > > > >
> > > > >Information on future meetings can be found in the minutes from the
> > meeting.
> > > > >See:
> > > > >http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ae/public/sep00/minutes_0900.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank you for understanding,
> > > > >
> > > > >jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > >Jonathan Thatcher, Principal Engineer
> > > > >Chair, IEEE P802.3ae (10 Gigabit Ethernet)
> > > > >World Wide Packets
> > > > >115 North Sullivan Rd
> > > > >PO Box 950
> > > > >Veradale WA 99037
> > > > >509-242-9228; Fax 509-242-9001;
> > > > >jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
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