The schedule has it completing in 2017, which would put it 7 years between standards, so pretty close to the same cadence. I think a question we should be asking
ourselves is how much we need to be improving every 7 years to effectively service the market(s).
Brian
From: Mike Dudek [mailto:mike.dudek@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:48 PM
To: STDS-802-3-400G@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-3-400G] Cole Presentation
Interesting analysis. Maybe the time between the standards also has something to do with it. 802.3ae was completed in 2002. 802.3ba in 2010. 8 years between
the standards. I’m assuming we don’t want to be completing 802.3bs in 2018!! Also when 100GBASE-LR4 was first standardized there was significant pain in implementing it, much more so than for 10GBASE-LR when it was standardized.
Mike Dudek
QLogic Corporation
Director Signal Integrity
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Aliso Viejo CA 92656
949 389 6269 - office.
From: Gary Nicholl (gnicholl) [mailto:gnicholl@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:55 PM
To: STDS-802-3-400G@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-3-400G] Cole Presentation
Chris,
First thanks for pulling this presentation together. I may still be trying to get my head around all of the numbers, but it is the analysis that ultimately we all need (and need
to agree upon).
I also like your comparison to existing 100G solutions . I think your intent here is to try and quantify the complexity/difficulty of the different 400GbE PMD proposals in relation
to something that we are all familiar with, i.e. developing and delivering the first 100G solutions. I was about to make a point here at the end of the meeting but my phone died! The point I was going to make is that I think we should use the same basis for
comparison for all of the 400G PMD objectives, i.e. 400G 500m PSM4, 400G 2km Duplex and 400G 10km Duplex. Using a common basis for comparison makes it possible to not only compare between different options within a single PMD objective, but also between solutions
for different PMD objectives, i.e. how much harder is 2km duplex versus PSM4, or how much harder is 10km duplex versus 2km duplex, etc. With this in mind I would propose using 100G-LR4 as the basis for all comparisons. What we are investigating here are 1st
generation 400GbE PMDs solutions and it makes sense to me to compare against a similar stage in the 100G project, i.e. the first generation 100GbE SMF PMD. Personally It doesn’t make a lot of sense to be comparing against a 3rd generation 100G-CWDM4 solution
(and especially not for a single PMD objective, and then using 100G-LR4 for the others).
We next need to agree on how to interpret the comparison data. In your presentation you show ‘total delta dB’ numbers ranging from 1.5dB to 7.9dB. How do we interpret these numbers
? Is there a specific dB number (or range of numbers) we should be targeting for an optimal solution, below which we are not trying hard enough, and beyond which we are pushing the technology too hard ?
To provide some insight here I went back and tried to carry out a similar analysis for the transition from 10G-LR to 100G-LR4, to see "how hard we were pushing" when we choose
100G-LR4 as part of the 802.3ba project. The numbers I came up with are as follows (I encourage others to run their own analysis in case I made an error somewhere!):
Tx OMA delta (pre mux): 5.9dB
Rx Sen OMA delta (post demux): 3.9dB
TOTAL delta: 9.8dB
A delta of 9.8dB is significantly larger than for any of the 400GbE options on the table. Does this mean we were pushing the technology much harder for 100GbE than we are now
for any of the 400GbE options? I suspect not. Perhaps it means that as we move to higher and higher speeds we are starting to pushing against some fundamental limits and extra dBs are harder to come by ? Bottom line is likely that while a comparison may provide
a useful insight, but the devil is in the interpretation of the numbers.
Gary
From:
Ali Ghiasi <aghiasi@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Ali Ghiasi <aghiasi@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM
To: "STDS-802-3-400G@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <STDS-802-3-400G@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [STDS-802-3-400G] Cole Presentation
Chris
There was couple of questions on your presentation today
in regard what to use for optical Mux/De-Mux looking at couple of supplier Cubo, AFOP, Oplink indicate what you are using are reasonable
2 dB - 4 Channel Mux/De-Mux
3 dB - 8 Channel Mux/De-Mux
The AFOP CWDM 4 channel mux has loss of 1.5 and for 8 channel only 2 dB. Other suppliers losses are little higher, more in line with what you have 2 dB for 4 channels and 3 dB
for 8 channels.
On slide 5 you referenced http://www.ieee802.org/3/bs/public/14_07/bhatt_3bs_01a_0714.pdf which has
an error floor of 4E-4 for 106.25 Gb/s PAM4. Bhatt result were based on to be published ECOC paper M. Poulin.
However the published ECOC results are little worse than what was published in IEEE. Here are the BER results published in ECOC:
- 53 GBd PAM4 BER=2.9E-3
- 40 GBd PAM4 BER=2.4E-4
- 30 GBd PAM4 BER=1E-6
It looks like if you give PAM4 enough bandwidth as in the case of 30 GBd then BER improves and error floor improves.
