Re: [RE] What's wrong using FireWire as the home backbone?
<DC>
The data has been generated more than a year ago, so any update is more
than welcomed...
</DC>
Dirceu Cavendish
NEC Labs America
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From: owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG]
On Behalf Of JAFFRE Pierre RD-RESA-LAN
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [RE] What's wrong using FireWire as the home backbone?
May I suggest you to update some data appearing in the attached
presentation transmitted to the 802-3 std. members, some figures
appearing obsolete specially concerning the PLT technology.
Actually the data rate provided by the HomePlug 1.0 products at the
physical layer reaches up to 14 Mb/s and not 10 kb/s ! Moreover the
applications concerned are not limited to Electronic Device Control and
Low data rate transmission but allow best effort Internet sharing, data
exchange inside home network and other advanced applications.
I would also like to mention the prospect of HomePlug A/V with
throughputs up to 200 Mb/s (physical layer) and possibility of QoS
management.
You may consult the HomePlug website at http://www.homeplug.com/
Similar comments are also valuable for the HomePNA solution.
Pierre Jaffre
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG]De la part de Dirceu Cavendish
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Objet : Re: [RE] What's wrong using FireWire as the home backbone?
Of course I forgot to attach the slides...
Dirceu Cavendish
NEC Labs America
10080 North Wolfe Road Suite SW3-350
Cupertino, CA 95014
Tel: 408-863-6041 Fax: 408-863-6099
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On Behalf Of Dirceu Cavendish
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Subject: Re: [RE] What's wrong using FireWire as the home backbone?
<DC> I am attaching few backup slides left out of the CFI, for reference
to the "comparing various technologies" discussion. From the people
involved in the reflector, so far we have Ethernet and 1394 technologies
as candidates for home networking. There are others, like (wired) Power
Line, USB, (wireless) Bluetooth, HomeRF, 802.11, etc...
As far as the discussion about Ethernet vs 1394, I think that Ethernet
is more of a NETWORKING technology than 1394, although 1394 supports
synchronization. So the question becomes: is it easier to turn 1394 into
Ethernet (net tech), or vice-versa? From a pure technological
standpoint, which is the easiest task? Also, from a practical
perspective, what is the technology of choice for AV CE devices -
Ethernet interfaces or 1394?
</DC>
Dirceu Cavendish
NEC Labs America
10080 North Wolfe Road Suite SW3-350
Cupertino, CA 95014
Tel: 408-863-6041 Fax: 408-863-6099
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From: owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG]
On Behalf Of David V James
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [RE] What's wrong using FireWire as the home backbone?
Kevin,
>> 1/ FireWire does not like to go further than 4.5m
Good point, for the basline PHYs. It does, however,
get a bit fuzzy on some of physical layers, possibly
allowing more.
>> 2/ FireWire does not scale well -
>> fixed amount of bandwidth is shared amongst all devices on the
network.
This is a misperception shared by all too many.
Firewire devices can extend themselves, without a bridge,
for up to 63 devices. This is similar to Ethernet hubs.
Firewire groups can go through bridges, for up to 1022 bridges.
This is similar to Ethernet bridges.
>> 3/ FireWire is not Ethernet
I agree, and this is the main point.
DVJ
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG
>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Gross, Kevin
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG
>> [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-re@IEEE.ORG] On
>> Behalf Of Hugh Barrass
>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:28 PM
>> To: STDS-802-3-RE@listserv.ieee.org
>> Subject: Re: [RE] What's wrong using FireWire as the home backbone?
>>
>> >What is missing from FireWire that prevents it from solving the
problems
>> of wired home networking?
>>
>> 1/ FireWire does not like to go further than 4.5m
>> 2/ FireWire does not scale well - fixed amount of bandwidth is shared
>> amongst all devices on the network.
>> 3/ FireWire is not Ethernet
>>
>> Items 1 and 2 have been addressed by enhancements to the IEEE-1394
>> specification (FireWore over CAT5 and bridging). I'm not seeing
>> quick market
>> uptake on these advances. Probably because of item 3. Ethernet
>> is popular.
>> Independent of technical capabilities, the more popular an
>> interconnect is
>> the more powerful it is. This is a basic property of networks Datacom
and
>> otherwise.
>>