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Re: Ballot Group Confidentiality


They are still doing so in the 802.11a and 802.11b ballots. One person came
to me and asked for the whole file because he did some analysis but could
not find some names/companies.

As you know I am very conservative with such name files and therefore asked

I sense that you would support me in NOT giving it away. On the other hand,
in the ballot report, we have to publish what each of the balotters have
voted. So, I was wandering whether I was too conservative.


Message text written by Geoff Thompson

Right bark, wrong tree.

What we are speaking about here is the Sponsor Balloting Group. This is a
list that is owned by the IEEE and probably does not appear in a reflector.
On the other hand the electronic ballot process for Sponsor Ballot is
immature and who knows how it will turn out.

In the electronic Sponsor Ballot that was conducted for 802.3ab an e-mail
message was sent as notification of the opening of ballot. Each person who
was a member of the Sponsor Balloting Group was fingered in public. Their
e-mail address showed up in the "To:" field of the announcing message.

We should probably get that fixed.


At 10:44 PM 4/12/99 -0500, Roger B. Marks wrote:
>Geoff wrote:
>>I don't think I agree with Bob on this. I don't think that everything
>>I do in life should subject me to having my contact information posted on
>>the equivalent of a telephone pole. There have been mailing list
>>in business for quite awhile who sell people's names and addresses and I
>>don't feel particularly obligated to generate more fodder for them.
>Perhaps you guys realize this, but, in many cases, it's easy to get a list
>of reflector subscribers. If private_who=no, all you have to do is to ask.
>If private_who=yes, then you have to subscribe first.
>Many of my people prefer to keep their email addresses private. I would
>like to accommodate them. Therefore, I'd like to turn off "who" to
>except the list owner. I've asked IEEE, but I received only the
>response below.
>From: "IEEE Postoffice" <>
>To: "Roger B. Marks" <>
>Subject: Re: request for modification of stds-802-16
>Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:12:01 -0400
>Good day,
>    Oh hand, with the current version of majordomo that we are running we
>may not be able to turn "who" off one way or another for just one list.
>However,  we are still researching.  If we are successful in finding a
>I will e-mail you and let you know.  We are also looking to upgrade our
>majordomo server to a later version that may support such things.  There
>no time frame as of yet as we are still in the planning/testing stage.  If
>may be of further assistance, please let me know.
>Thank you,
>IEEE Postmaster
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Roger B. Marks <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 16:03
>Subject: request for modification of stds-802-16
>As the owner of "stds-802-16", I'd like to request a modification:
>I'd like to turn off the "who" command so that no one, even the list
>members, can get the subscriber list.
>Can you help?
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