Re: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
Geoff, I thought based on previous e-mails that 802.3 opted out of the offer
to hold their interim at the time and place that 802 is sponsoring one. In
my eyes that would not disqualify 802 from being able to offer that service
to the other dot groups. What am I missing? I would expect that some dot
groups would choose to not have 802 sponsor their interims from time to time
for a variety of legitimate reasons. I would expect that the dates chosen
by 802 would be based on hotel availability rather than any dot groups
specific scheduling requirement, and may be chosen well in advance. In any
case, it is certainly nice to have the back-up of 802 if that is an
acceptable alternative. The real caveat I have is that groups must not be
forced to make long term commitments to participate in an interim meeting to
satisfy financial obligations created by booking the hotel for the interim.
Geoff, I am trying to put your objection in a long term context to
understand in principle what should and should not be allowed.
Best regards,
Robert D. Love
President, LAN Connect Consultants
7105 Leveret Circle Raleigh, NC 27615
Phone: 919 848-6773 Mobile: 919 810-7816
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----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Thompson <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>
To: Rigsbee, Everett O <Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com>
Cc: stds-802-sec <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>; 802 @F2F Dawn S
<dawns@facetoface-events.com>; 802 @F2F Darcel Moro <dmoro@attcanada.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
>
> Buzz-
>
> I do understand that the PLAN is to net zero.
>
> However, according to the motion, the 802 treasury is standing behind the
> Orlando meeting to the tune of
> 1) Guaranteeing that it will happen.
> 2) Covering any shortfall
> 3) ??
> It is not providing the same for other meetings.
> That is not equitable and is to the disadvantage of the roughly half of
the
> 802 membership who depend on me to represent them.
>
> I believe that this is in line with the point that Bob Grow made earlier.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> At 11:36 AM 12/4/00 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>
> >Geoff, I think you are misunderstanding the proposal. All of the
expenses
> >for the Orlando meeting are being paid by the meeting fees collected from
> >the attendees (just as we do at a plenary meeting). The plan is to
tailor
> >the
> >expenses at the meeting to come out with net balance of $0. Thus there
> >will be no impact on IEEE 802 treasury. The only role being played by
> >IEEE 802 is to serve as the hosting body to make the meeting
arrangements
> >and ensure that the Hotel agreement conforms to our stand policies. The
> >meeting fees collected from the attendees will cover all of the actual
> >expenses.
> >It is possible to track and adjust expenses during the meeting so that
they
> >exactly match the funds collected. It is NOT the case that the 802
Treasury
> >is subsidizing one meeting and not the other.
> >Thanx, Buzz
> >Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> >Boeing SSG
> >PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> >Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> >ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> >email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > > ----------
> > > From: Geoff Thompson[SMTP:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:03 PM
> > > To: jcarlo
> > > Cc: IEEE802
> > > Subject: Re: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> > >
> > > In the current form I vote DISAPPROVE
> > > I cannot support such a discriminatory allocation of funds, i.e. to
the
> > > group consisting of
> > > 802.11
> > > 802.15
> > > 802.16
> > > and excluding
> > > 802.1
> > > 802.3
> > > 802.17
> > > If a more equitable arrangement is offered I would be more inclined to
> > > support it.
> > > Geoff
> > > At 04:39 PM 12/1/00 -0600, Jim Carlo wrote:
> > > >UPDATED STATUS: NOTE CURRENT MOTION WOULD PASS - PLEASE VOTE
> > > >Howard Frazier -
> > > >Bob Grow -
> > > >Paul Nikolich - Approve
> > > >Buzz Rigsbee - Approve
> > > >Vic Hayes - Approve with Comment
> > > >Tony Jeffree - Approve
> > > >Geoff Thompson -
> > > >Bob Love - Do Not Approve
> > > >Stuart Kerry - Approve
> > > >Bob Heile - Approve
> > > >Roger Marks - Approve
> > > >Jim Carlo - Chair
> > > >Stuart Kerry, who is here with me at the moment in the Netherlands
has
> > also
> > > >approved this motion. After the November 2000 motion the original
wireless
> > > >hosts for dot11, dot15 and dot16 (ParkerVision and Intersil) have not
> > moved
> > > >forward with hotel and meeting facilities because they were convinced
that
> > > >802 was taking care of the organization and liability issues. Vic
Hayes
> > > >I vote conditionally approve based on 802.17 being added to the list
of
> > > >working groups to meet in Orlando. Otherwise I must vote NO. This
motion
> > > >failed to capture the spirit of the email discussion that directly
> > preceeded
> > > >it. The previous e-mail suggests that 802.17 prefers Orlando to
> > Sacramento,
> > > >directily contradicting Note 3. Will all those that have already
voted in
> > > >support of this motion please send an e-mail to the reflector stating
that
> > > >you support my requested change? Thank you. Bob Love
> > > >SEC OFFICIAL EMAIL BALLOT 802.0/29Nov2000
> > > >Issue Date: 29Nov2000 Closing Date: 3Dec2000
> > > >Moved By: Buzz Rigsbee
> > > >Move: Approve that IEEE 802 financially back-up the commitment for
the
> > > >following Working Groups to hold their interim meeting in Orlando on
> > > >14-18May. The plan is this meeting will run on a break even financial
> > basis.
> > > >802.11
> > > >802.15
> > > >802.16
> > > >Notes:
> > > >1) 802.11, 802.15, 802.16 are committed to attend this meeting.
> > > >2) Bob Grow an I will need to have a financial report of this interim
> > > >meeting, to be prepared and presented at the SEC in July. Will work
> > out the
> > > >details in March.
> > > >3) This note is not part of the motion, and outside the scope of 802
SEC.
> > > >However, 802.3, 802.1, 802.17 currently plan to hold a separate
meeting,
> > > >hosted by Intel in Sacramento during the week of May 28 - June 1.
Note
> > that
> > > >this is Memorial Day weekend. Note also that this motion does not
have any
> > > >commitment on this meetings, just a possible plan, that might and
probably
> > > >will change.
> > > >Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776
> > Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274>
> > > >TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> > > >Vice Chair, IEEE-SA Standards Board
> > > >Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> > >
>