[802SEC] +++PASSED: CD-ROM for 2002
Ballot Passed below. Paul was going to discuss position by IEEE-Staff
relayed by Jerry Walker to ONLY authorize those standards on the Get802
program for the CD Rom.
Tally: Approve:7 Do not Approve:1 Abstain: Did Not Vote:4
Bob Grow - Approve
Bob O'Hara-
Paul Nikolich - Approve
Buzz Rigsbee - Approve with comment
Vic Hayes - Approve
Tony Jeffree - Approve
Geoff Thompson - Approve
Stuart Kerry -
Bob Heile -
Roger Marks - Do Not Approve with attached comment
Mike Takefman - Approve
Jim Carlo - Chair
I vote Disapprove.
I don't think we need this. The six-month delay in the GetIEEE
program is not enough to justify the CD. By the time we come out with
a CD in November, everything approved at the previous December and
February Standards Board meetings will already be six months old and
therefore already on the web. The stuff approved in June will
probably be on the web soon. And the stuff approved in September will
probably be too new to get on the CD anyway.
Also, the absence of a 2002 CD doesn't mean that people will need to
do a massive download. After all, they already have a 2001 CD (and,
last I checked, we still had a supply of extras). So, if people have
to download the few additional files they need, they won't suffer too
badly. We could even put them on the network server that we have
decided to support at the November meeting. This would be simple, and
it would avoid the first-mile access bottleneck that will exist until
802.16 MANs are widely available.
So, while I think it's fine to update the CD occasionally, I don't
think we need to do it annually.
Conversely, the cost is too high in terms of:
*production dollars
*volunteer production labor
*distribution labor cost and associated Wednesday turmoil
*getting bugged to submit a voter list
Roger
I vote APPROVE on this motion.
I further believe we should make a serious effort to adjust the rules for
CD-ROM distribution
so that we provide it for ALL registered attendees, thereby allowing it to
be handed out with
the name badge as part of normal registration. This would eliminate the
need for doing
voting member updates on-site and delaying the distribution until Wednesday
afternoon.
Since we now have Get802 firmly in place the potential revenue impact of
this change
would be very minor and it would streamline the process to everyone's
advantage.
The CD-ROM then becomes a real incentive to getting registered early.
Thanx, Buzz
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
SEC OFFICIAL EMAIL BALLOT 802.0/4Aug2001
Issue Date: 24Aug2001 Closing Date: 4Sept2001
Moved By: Geoff Thompson Seconded By: Buzz Rigsbee
Move: CD Rom for 2002
Motion: Update IEEE 802 Standards CDROM for distribution at the November,
2001 meeting. Authorize funds to make 1000 copies (approximately $3000).
Notes:
1) Motion made in 1999:
Update IEEE 802 Standards CDROM for distribution at the November, 1999
meeting. Authorize funds to make 500 copies (approximately $1500).
2) IEEE Operating Rules
LMSC OPERATING RULES REVISED MARCH 15, 2001 PAGE 24 OF 31
IEEE 802 -- 2001/01 FILE: LMRULE0301.DOC Procedure 6
POLICY FOR DISTRIBUTION OF NEW IEEE LMSC STANDARDS
PUBLICATIONS
1. Books will be distributed to those participants of the Working Group and
major contributors
listed in front matter of the standard who directly contributed to that
standard or supplement.
The LMSC Chair will establish the book distribution policy. The Executive
Secretary in
conjunction with the Working Group chair will implement the policy including
generating
information to provide to the IEEE Office for any distribution by IEEE
Standards.
2. CD-ROMs, containing all IEEE 802 standards available at that point in
time, available
normally at the July Plenary on an annual basis, will be distributed to
registered attendees who
are Working Group voting members or SEC members at the issuing meeting, and
at
subsequent plenary meetings for those not attending the issuing meeting
until a new CD-ROM
is available. Handout will occur on Wednesday (8AM-5PM).
The CD-ROM program will be reviewed annually by the IEEE 802 Chair and the
IEEE Standards Department to ensure its appropriateness and to make any
adjustments in the product development process and business arrangements
that might be necessary.
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Ballot Passed below. Paul was going to discuss position by
IEEE-Staff</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>relayed by Jerry Walker to ONLY authorize those standards
on the Get802</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>program for the CD Rom.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Tally: Approve:7 Do not
Approve:1 Abstain: Did Not
Vote:4</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Bob Grow - Approve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Bob O'Hara-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Paul Nikolich - Approve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Buzz Rigsbee - Approve with comment</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Vic Hayes - Approve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Tony Jeffree - Approve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Geoff Thompson - Approve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Stuart Kerry -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Bob Heile -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Roger Marks - Do Not Approve with attached comment</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Mike Takefman - Approve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Jim Carlo - Chair</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I vote Disapprove.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I don't think we need this. The six-month delay in the
GetIEEE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>program is not enough to justify the CD. By the time we
come out with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a CD in November, everything approved at the previous
December and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>February Standards Board meetings will already be six
months old and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>therefore already on the web. The stuff approved in June
will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>probably be on the web soon. And the stuff approved in
September will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>probably be too new to get on the CD anyway.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Also, the absence of a 2002 CD doesn't mean that people will
need to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>do a massive download. After all, they already have a 2001
CD (and,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>last I checked, we still had a supply of extras). So, if
people have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to download the few additional files they need, they won't
suffer too</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>badly. We could even put them on the network server that we
have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>decided to support at the November meeting. This would be
simple, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it would avoid the first-mile access bottleneck that will
exist until</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>802.16 MANs are widely available.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>So, while I think it's fine to update the CD occasionally, I
don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>think we need to do it annually.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Conversely, the cost is too high in terms of:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>*production dollars</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>*volunteer production labor</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>*distribution labor cost and associated Wednesday
turmoil</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>*getting bugged to submit a voter list</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Roger</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I vote APPROVE on this motion.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I further believe we should make a serious effort to adjust
the rules for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>CD-ROM distribution</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>so that we provide it for ALL registered attendees, thereby
allowing it to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>be handed out with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the name badge as part of normal registration. This
would eliminate the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>need for doing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>voting member updates on-site and delaying the distribution
until Wednesday</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>afternoon.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Since we now have Get802 firmly in place the potential
revenue impact of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>this change</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>would be very minor and it would streamline the process to
everyone's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>advantage.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>The CD-ROM then becomes a real incentive to getting
registered early.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Thanx, Buzz</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT
SIZE=2>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>SEC OFFICIAL EMAIL BALLOT 802.0/4Aug2001</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Issue Date: 24Aug2001 Closing Date: 4Sept2001</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Moved By: Geoff Thompson Seconded
By: Buzz Rigsbee</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Move: CD Rom for 2002</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Motion: Update IEEE 802 Standards CDROM for distribution at
the November,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2001 meeting. Authorize funds to make 1000 copies
(approximately $3000).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Notes:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>1) Motion made in 1999:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Update IEEE 802 Standards CDROM for distribution at the
November, 1999</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>meeting. Authorize funds to make 500 copies (approximately
$1500).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>2) IEEE Operating Rules</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>LMSC OPERATING RULES REVISED MARCH 15, 2001 PAGE 24 OF
31</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>IEEE 802 -- 2001/01 FILE: LMRULE0301.DOC Procedure 6</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>POLICY FOR DISTRIBUTION OF NEW IEEE LMSC STANDARDS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>PUBLICATIONS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>1. Books will be distributed to those participants of the
Working Group and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>major contributors</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>listed in front matter of the standard who directly
contributed to that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>standard or supplement.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>The LMSC Chair will establish the book distribution policy.
The Executive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Secretary in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>conjunction with the Working Group chair will implement the
policy including</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>generating</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>information to provide to the IEEE Office for any
distribution by IEEE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Standards.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2. CD-ROMs, containing all IEEE 802 standards available at
that point in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>time, available</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>normally at the July Plenary on an annual basis, will be
distributed to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>registered attendees who</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>are Working Group voting members or SEC members at the
issuing meeting, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>subsequent plenary meetings for those not attending the
issuing meeting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>until a new CD-ROM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>is available. Handout will occur on Wednesday
(8AM-5PM).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>The CD-ROM program will be reviewed annually by the IEEE
802 Chair and the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>IEEE Standards Department to ensure its appropriateness and
to make any</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>adjustments in the product development process and business
arrangements</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that might be necessary.</FONT>
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