RE: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG electronic voting
Mike,
The rules on voting for rules changes (3.6.5) require 2/3 approval or ALL
voting members on the SEC. Therefore, if you do not vote, you are
effectively counted as a negative:
Approval ratio = approves/(negatives + abstain + did not vote).
Also for electronic balloting (not concerned with a rules change) 3.4.2.1,
you require a majority of eligible voting SEC members. Again, the approval
ratio puts ALL members of the SEC in the denominator.
Therefore a quorum for SEC email ballots is 100% of the SEC voting members.
I hope this clears it up.
--Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:40 PM
To: p.nikolich@ieee.org
Cc: 'Robert D. Love'; 'IEEE802'
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on
WG electronic voting
Paul,
This makes sense and is what I was assuming.
The confusing point was that your email indicated that
for the current SEC motion a failure to vote was counted as a NO.
I took a quick look at the rules and it is not clear to me why a
fail to vote on an SEC motion is a no vote. Rather the rule 3.4.2.1
appears to state that a majority of the voting SEC members must reply.
mike
Paul Nikolich wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The quorom for an electonic ballot is that 50% of the working group voting
> members must respond YES, NO or ABSTAIN. This is exactly the same as a
> quorum for any WG meeting that is not held during a plenary session.
>
> --Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert D. Love [mailto:rdlove@nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:49 PM
> To: Mike Takefman; p.nikolich@ieee.org
> Cc: 'IEEE802'
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on
> WG electronic voting
>
> Mike, I believe 50% of the eligible voters voting YES, NO, or ABSTAIN, is
a
> quorum for electronic balloting. See the 802.5 Working Group electronic
> balloting rules I posted on the 802.17 reflector which explicitly specify
> that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Robert D. Love
> Chair, Resilient Packet Ring Alliance
> President, LAN Connect Consultants
> 7105 Leveret Circle Raleigh, NC 27615
> Phone: 919 848-6773 Mobile: 919 810-7816
> email: rdlove@ieee.org Fax: 208 978-1187
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Takefman" <tak@cisco.com>
> To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
> Cc: "'IEEE802'" <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on WG
> electronic voting
>
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > a question from one of my people. What consitutes a quorum for an
> > electronic vote (either motion or ballot).
> >
> > For example, this SEC rules change ballot marks a failure to vote
> > as a vote against. Hence, one could argue there is no quorum requirement
> > as all voters end up with either a no or whatever they actually
responded
> > with and 100% of the voters are counted.
> >
> > Another interpretation is similar to those of a meeting. Specifically
> > the number of people who respond to the ballot as a yes or no or abstain
> > must be greater than 50% of the voting members.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > mike
> >
> > Paul Nikolich wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear SEC members,
> > >
> > > Attached you will find the text for the SEC rules change letter ballot
> on WG
> > > Electronic Voting.
> > >
> > > Scope: To permit voting by electronic means at the working group
level.
> > >
> > > Purpose: To facilitate the WG consensus process.
> > >
> > > The ballot opens March 18, 2002 and closes June 8, 2002 12 midnight
EDT
> > > (remember if you do not vote or abstain it is equivalent to a
DISAPPROVE
> > > vote). Buzz, please ensure this gets sent to the 802-wide email list
as
> > > well. WG chairs, please invite your WG members to comment through
you.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --Paul Nikolich
> > >
> > > Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Project
> > > email: p.nikolich@ieee.org
> > > cell: 857.205.0050
> > > mail: 18 Bishops Lane, Lynnfield, MA 01940
> > >
> >
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> > > Name:
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> rules change on wg electronic balloting.pdf
> > > MAR2002 rules change on wg electronic balloting.pdf Type:
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> > > Encoding: base64
> >
> > --
> > Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> > Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems
> > Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> > 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> > voice: 613-254-3399 fax: 613-254-4867
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Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
Manager of Engineering, Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399 fax: 613-254-4867