Geoff, I believe the intention was to achieve
a uniform requirement for payment of announced meeting fees, whether for plenaries
or for interims, so that we might have some basis for uniform enforcement to
protect both IEEE 802 and our hosting companies from non-cooperative deadbeats. A consistent policy is always easier to
enforce uniformly than a plethora of committee specific rules that vary from
group to group. If we want to
encourage hosts to continue to volunteer, we need to offer them at least some
basis for fee enforcement to protect their downside. I think Bill’s proposal does that very nicely without
getting too cumbersome.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124
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(425) 865-2443
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(425) 865-6721
email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original
Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson
[mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003
9:41 AM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O
Cc: Geoff Thompson; Bill
Quackenbush; IEEE 802 SEC
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Deadbeat
rule change proposal
Buzz-
My point here is that the current situation is:
Plenaries and the operation of 802 are
current funded, by practice and rule, by the fees that participants pay to
attend plenaries.
Interims are funded by means other than
tapping the 802 treasury (with the exception of use of 802 capital equipment)
I find no
mandate to change that situation in the project that Bill has taken on to
tighten up the wording on deadbeats.
I have no desire to change the current situation in that regard, actually more than
that. I am opposed to changing the (1+n) approach to a single pot approach.
Geoff
At 02:32 PM 3/4/2003 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
Geoff, I think in
this context that Bill is referring to 802-hosted interim meetings (such as the
January 802.3/.1 meeting). In this case the Treasurer does collect the
fees on behalf of IEEE 802. Non-802-hosted interims would be the
exception to this rule.
Thanx,
Buzz
Dr. Everett O.
(Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707,
M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle,
WA 98324-2207
(425)
865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003
11:46 AM
To: Bill Quackenbush
Cc: IEEE 802 SEC
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Deadbeat
rule change proposal
Bill-
I have some general problems with your proposal.
RE the original form of the phrase:
The LMSC Treasurer may collect fees from all attendees of any meeting held in
conjunction with the a Plenary or
Interim session
to cover the expenses of operating the LAN MAN Standards Committee.
...probably needs to be updated from "may" to "shall".
Either way, I don't think the modification for interims belongs here in the
current context.
It is not the job of the LMSC Treasurer to collect fees from an Interim session
to cover the expenses of operating the LAN MAN Standards Committee.
Rather, LMSC Treasurer through the conference organizer may collect fees from
all attendees of an interim meeting to cover the expenses of the interim
meeting.
If we go with the currently proposed text then we are signing up for all sorts
of grief about whose interims are supporting plenary operation and whose are
not.
Also, I am a little unhappy about a policy that is so completely rigid and has
no provision for input from the affected WG Chair.
Geoff
At 04:35 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, Bill Quackenbush wrote:
All,
Attached is my first draft of the proposed deadbeat rule changes.
I have put the new material in a new section so that it applies equally
to any LMSC standards development group meeting.
Your comments are encouraged.
Thanks,
wlq