Re: [802SEC] Endorsement and affiliation letters for James Gilb - correction
Mat,
Next time we revise the 802 P&P, we shouldn't scrub it to remove clause number references to the 802 OM. Part of our intention in separating our 802 rules into P&P and OM was to allow for the OM to be revised more frequently and do rare updates to the P&P. It is awkward to then have to update the P&P because we moved a subclause in the OM.
My boss cleverly skirts the issue by just citing the behavior without the subclause reference: "We recognize that Ms. Thaler is expected to act as both a professional and an individual expert in accordance with LMSC Policies and Procedures."
Regards,
Pat
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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Kraemer
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:07 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Endorsement and affiliation letters for James Gilb - correction
James,
First, I want to assure everybody that this dialog is about a nit; just a case of friendly elbowing.
We have a case of documents in edit and a question of which to use.
The latest versions are the ones I used as reference for my letters (attached). They are not the same as what you refer to.
Also your original note referred to the OM and the note below refers to the P&P.
In the new OM document section 5.1 is about Plenaries while Section 6.1 is about Voting Guidance.
The new P&P has nothing equivalent on this topic that I could find.
Hence, when I tried to find your original reference in the OM it didn't exist.
Bruce
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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James Gilb
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:03 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: Endorsement and affiliation letters for James Gilb - correction
Bruce
Thanks for the vote of confidence. However, for better or worse, I
copied the wording from our latest P&P (at least I think it is the
latest one, it was appoved in early 2009, Mat?)
It says:
Any person to be confirmed by the Sponsor shall, prior to confirmation
by the Sponsor, file with the Recording Secretary a letter of
endorsement from their supporting entity. This letter is to document
several key factors relative to their participation on the Sponsor and
is to be signed by both the Sponsor member and an individual who has
management responsibility for the Sponsor member. This letter shall
contain at least the following:
a) Statement of qualification based on technical expertise to fulfill
the assignment
b) Statement of support for providing necessary resources (e.g., time,
travel expenses to meetings), and
c) Recognition that the individual is expected to act in accordance with
the conditions stated in subclause 5.1 of the IEEE 802 Operations Manual
dealing with voting "as both a professional and as an individual expert."
In our current OM (aproved 11/14/2008, in force since March 2009 when
the P&P was approved and is currently unmodified), the voting guidance
is in section 5.1.
Section 6, which does not have any subsections, is for interpretations.
Or am I way confused? If so, I will happily change the example
endorsement letter, which can be found at:
http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml
James Gilb
Bruce Kraemer wrote:
> James, Thanks for reminding me to get these prepared. However, before
> we all get too far in copying your splendid example I note that your
> endorsement letter refers to the wrong OM paragraph. The correct
> sub-clause is actually 6.1 not 5.1.
>
> I'll probably vote for you anyway.
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee
> List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James Gilb
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:59 PM To:
> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Endorsement and affiliation
> letters for James Gilb
>
> Dear 802 EC members
>
> Please find attached the endorsement and affiliation letters for
> myself. I thought it best to send mine out to the EC list rather than
> emailing it to myself.
>
> Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to consider electronic copies and
> signatures as sufficient for the requirement for these letters.
> Thus, if you want to email me scanned copies of the signed letter,
> that will be OK.
>
> James Gilb
>
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