Re: [802SEC] Endorsement and affiliation letters for James Gilb - correction
Bruce
Yes, we are having a bit of fun here.
Unfortunately, we changed the section numbers in the OM and it doesn't
match the currently approved P&P.
In the current P&P (and the modified one we approved, but has not yet
been approved by AudCom), the requirements for letters are in section 4.1.
I think Pat has best answer, which is to avoid referencing the section
in the OM in your letter. Still, unless someone raises an objection, I
think we can accept letters with 5.1, 6.1 or other references as long as
it says "as both a professional and as an individual expert". The
caveat for referencing the OM is that a WG Chair can be given a directed
position and therefore would vote according to the rules in that
section, rather than "as both a professional and as an individual expert".
The OM you sent is the current version, but the P&P isn't (at least it
isn't until it is approved by AudCom).
I haven't updated the OM link on the web page, so it was confusing me. I
will fix it.
Thanks for helping to clear it up.
James Gilb
Bruce Kraemer wrote:
> James, First, I want to assure everybody that this dialog is about a
> nit; just a case of friendly elbowing.
>
> We have a case of documents in edit and a question of which to use.
>
> The latest versions are the ones I used as reference for my letters
> (attached). They are not the same as what you refer to.
>
> Also your original note referred to the OM and the note below refers
> to the P&P.
>
> In the new OM document section 5.1 is about Plenaries while Section
> 6.1 is about Voting Guidance. The new P&P has nothing equivalent on
> this topic that I could find.
>
> Hence, when I tried to find your original reference in the OM it
> didn't exist.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee
> List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James Gilb
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:03 AM To:
> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Endorsement and
> affiliation letters for James Gilb - correction
>
> Bruce
>
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. However, for better or worse, I
> copied the wording from our latest P&P (at least I think it is the
> latest one, it was appoved in early 2009, Mat?)
>
> It says:
>
> Any person to be confirmed by the Sponsor shall, prior to
> confirmation by the Sponsor, file with the Recording Secretary a
> letter of endorsement from their supporting entity. This letter is to
> document several key factors relative to their participation on the
> Sponsor and is to be signed by both the Sponsor member and an
> individual who has management responsibility for the Sponsor member.
> This letter shall contain at least the following: a) Statement of
> qualification based on technical expertise to fulfill the assignment
> b) Statement of support for providing necessary resources (e.g.,
> time, travel expenses to meetings), and c) Recognition that the
> individual is expected to act in accordance with the conditions
> stated in subclause 5.1 of the IEEE 802 Operations Manual dealing
> with voting "as both a professional and as an individual expert."
>
> In our current OM (aproved 11/14/2008, in force since March 2009 when
> the P&P was approved and is currently unmodified), the voting
> guidance is in section 5.1.
>
> Section 6, which does not have any subsections, is for
> interpretations.
>
> Or am I way confused? If so, I will happily change the example
> endorsement letter, which can be found at:
> http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml
>
> James Gilb
>
> Bruce Kraemer wrote:
>> James, Thanks for reminding me to get these prepared. However,
>> before we all get too far in copying your splendid example I note
>> that your endorsement letter refers to the wrong OM paragraph. The
>> correct sub-clause is actually 6.1 not 5.1.
>>
>> I'll probably vote for you anyway.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee
>> List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James Gilb
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:59 PM To:
>> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Endorsement and affiliation
>> letters for James Gilb
>>
>> Dear 802 EC members
>>
>> Please find attached the endorsement and affiliation letters for
>> myself. I thought it best to send mine out to the EC list rather
>> than emailing it to myself.
>>
>> Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to consider electronic copies
>> and signatures as sufficient for the requirement for these letters.
>> Thus, if you want to email me scanned copies of the signed letter,
>> that will be OK.
>>
>> James Gilb
>>
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