We've already come to the conclusion that
we lack
the capability to provide a summary report. Now I'm
hearing the argument that we lack the capability to even provide a list
of documents considered. I'm not satisfied with that notion and can't
commit to voting approve on the resulting statement. However, I really
think we can do better than the current proposed text:
*The record is contained at
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_group=0reg.
In the very worst case, if we are unable
to create any selection of documents, then we should improve this, to
something like:
*The record is contained in a subset of the
documents stored at
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_group=0reg. The relevant
documents are dated between 21 August 2013 and 11 March 2015;
most, but not necessarily all, include the word "DSRC" and/or "Tiger" in
the title.
I like John's
suggestion. It could be implemented this way:
*The
record is contained in a subset of the documents stored at
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_group=0reg. The relevant
documents are dated between 21 August 2013 and 11 March 2015;
most, but not necessarily all, include the word "DSRC" and/or "Tiger" in
the title. For convenience, we include the attached list of documents
whose relevance has been brought to our attention.
None of these
are satisfying to me, except in relative terms.
Roger
James
Lansford wrote: Hi John, I can't say for sure that only those 2 or 3
people at the FCC will see the letter, but I can tell you that one of
those people has contacted me and stated that his job is to summarize
the activities of the group for internal review. It is unlikely that
anyone other than those three people will try to read through over 120
documents. Again, this represents a large percentage of the REG-SC
activities over the past two years, so trying to list all these
documents isn't really narrowing the search very much compared to a
simple, clean pointer to REG-SC. As I mentioned previously, trying to
parse the list may omit REG-SC documents where DSRC was discussed. I
still believe a simple link is most appropriate. Best regards, Jim On
Wednesday, May 13, 2015, < John_DAmbrosia@dell.com>
wrote: Jim, Noting
your statement in Item #1 – will you please clarify if these will be
the only individuals from the FCC that may be reviewing this letter? While
I appreciate the noted effort – the simple reality is I believe that
this contribution could be viewed by more than just these 2 or 3 people
who have participated actively. We should make a best effort to list
all documents with a pointer to the proposed list, in case any other
contributions may have been missed. (Appropriate language to be
finalized). Regards, John From:
James Lansford [mailto:jim.lansford@ieee.org]
Sent: Wednesday,
May 13, 2015 10:33 AM
To: DAmbrosia, John
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Subject:
Re: [802SEC] 802 letter to FCC regarding 802.11 Radio Regulatory DSRC
Tiger Team As the chair
of the Tiger Team, I'd like to clarify a couple of things: 1) During the last several months of its
activities, we had active participation from the FCC in the Tiger
Team calls. Not just one person, but usually 2 or 3 people. They are
well aware of how to use Mentor and get the documents they are
interested in. We do not need to send a detailed list of documents. 2) Parsing out a "complete list" of documents isn't
as easy as it sounds. We had discussions in some of the REG-SC meetings
about DSRC Coex TT activities which make the line between TT activities
and REC-SC activities fuzzy at best. Many, if not most, of the REG-SC
documents over the last two years have been related to the DSRC Coex TT
anyway. This is not looking for a needle in a haystack. In summary, as Rich, John K. and Adrian have
pointed out, a link to the REG-SC list is the most appropriate way to
point to the Tiger Team's activities. Trying to get more granular is
not necessary given the active participation by the FCC and would
unnecessarily clutter up the letter, in my opinion. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:00 AM, John DAmbrosia <John_DAmbrosia@dell.com> wrote: While
I realize it is probably more work, I believe the best path forward is
to provide the complete list, and not count on any regulatory body to
parse through Mentor to find the appropriate documents. I agree. There is no link that will get only the tiger
team docs. You’d probably have to search on “DSRC” or “Tiger”, and
the mentor URL doesn’t support that. So the choice is to list them all, or to include all REG
SC docs, and hope the FCC have the intelligence to ignore the irrelevant ones. Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 (1793) 404825
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Tiger Team Paul, thanks for this suggestion to
provide information about the Tiger Team to the FCC. As for the link to provide, I
appreciate the motivation for Roger's narrower list, but I notice it
leaves out several key documents from the Tiger Team record: - Most importantly
it omits both of the two original sharing proposal documents contributed
to the Tiger Team (11-13-0994/r0 and 11-13-1276/r1).
- It also omits a detailed critique
of one proposal (11-14-1101/r1).
- It also omits some other salient contributions (US DOT
test beds, channel models)
So, absent a better suggestion, I prefer to use Paul's
original link. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:21 PM,
Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org>
wrote: Roger your suggested URL is a nice
suggestion. I
would support updating the URL Regards, Jon
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Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote: Adrian,
In
keeping with my suggestion of a list, a simple solution is to refer to
this link:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_dcn=dsrc&is_group=0reg
That
gives all the Regulatory SC documents with "DSRC" in the title. It has
129 hits, out of the 500 or so Regulatory SC documents.
If that's
not the right list, then I'd propose inserting a hard list into the
document.
Regards,
Roger
Stephens,
Adrian P wrote:
Hello all, I believe Paul’s intent is not to highlight any particular
document, but the corpus (nice word, that) of all documents that
comprise the entire discussion of the tiger team, including
contributions, minutes, reports etc... The majority of documents in the REG SC area (linked)
since 2013 relate to this activity. I estimate the number to be around
120. Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 (1793) 404825
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I
like the approach. However, the link points to a repository of every
802.11 Regulatory SC document of the past (and of the future too, for
that matter). I think it would be better to make a list of all the
relevant documents and add that to the statement.
Roger
Paul
Nikolich wrote: I am
at the 802 wireless interim session in Vancouver Canada this week and
met with a few of the key interested parties to resolve the pending
802-to-FCC communication regarding the completion of the 802.11 RR DSRC
TT work. We put together a short, straightforward statement regarding
the activity. It was agreed to by everyone involved as an effective way
to communicate the accomplishments of the Tiger Team. It is located at https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/15/ec-15-0035-00-00EC-letter-to-fcc-regarding-802-11-rr-dsrc-tt.pdf. My
plan to close the pending 802/FCC/DSRC-TT action item from the March
plenary closing EC meeting is to ask AdrianS and JonR to move/second a
motion for EC email ballot that authorizes me to forward the document
to the FCC as part of their 13-49 proceeding. Please
review the document and let me know if you have suggestions to improve
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