Jon – I don’t see the problem. The issue is whether staff attends at the request of a member of the LMSC or whether they just come. Our Chair’s guidelines specifically mention IEEE staff. The language is
odd, but it is actually talking about waivers. Staff come under (weirdly numbered) item 6 under 4.1 in the chair’s guidelines. There is no rule that says staff pay fees – although I would say that the rule is that ALL pay registration fees unless one of
the exceptions applies…
From the Chair’s Guidelines:
4.1 Registration Fees
(LMSC motion, origin)
This guideline defines the requirements for ‘atypical’ meeting attendees such as IEEE staff and
members of the press to pay applicable registration fees during sessions.
6) Invited (by members of the LMSC) guests who attend meetings for a specific purpose that is of
value to general attendees (e.g., to provide a tutorial presentation) should be exempt from the
meeting fee. Invited guests who do not pay a meeting fee are welcome to observe various
sessions of IEEE 802. However, as guests they may not vote in Working Group meetings during
that session and their attendance will not be counted toward building or maintaining voting
membership in any Working Group. Guests should register to receive a name badge. Note that
observers are allowed to comment on Working Group documents.
7) Students – See guideline 4.2 Student Fees
8) For plenary sessions, the Standards Committee Chair will have the responsibility to review and
approve the above exceptions (total limited to ten individuals per session) and provide a list of
these exempt people to the Executive Secretary before the session and obtain LMSC
confirmation at the Monday LMSC meeting of a plenary session.
9) In addition to the previously mentioned 10 waivers, the Standards Committee Chair may rarely
grant meeting fee waivers for invited officers of other SDOs who do not regularly attend IEEE
802 meetings. The purpose of the waiver is to provide an opportunity for the individual to
observe how IEEE 802 operates and to meet the IEEE 802 leadership. Attendance at the
meeting doesn't count toward establishing voting membership. The meeting fee waiver
privilege is not intended to permit the individual to participate in project work. Reciprocal
treatment should be encouraged.
George A. Zimmerman, Ph.D.
2nd Vice Chair, IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
CME Consulting, Inc.
george@cmephyconsulting.com
1-310-920-3860
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Jon,
If it helps they will not be in physical attendance.
We could try to limit to specific slots In addition to the Tuesday evening WG15 Tech Editors, but I'd hate to then miss one.
BR,
Clint
Clint Powell
Managing Director - Wireless IoT Standardization, PWC LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG Chair & 802 LMSC Executive Committee
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:00 PM, Jon Rosdahl
We have not done general waivers for the IEEE staff in the past.
We have had the Editors join the Editors Meeting (Tues 7am local time) with a waiver for that meeting (Technical Expert waiver).
The IEEE Editor Staff support all the 802 WGs, and having 802.15 change the requested waiver type is unprecedented.
I would not want this on a consent agenda without further discussion as to why we have the rule that they do pay the fee, and now in some cases for some WG they don't.
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A Job is only necessary to eat!
A Family is necessary to be happy!!
LMSC,
I am requesting your support for fee waivers at the Nov. 2024 LMSC Plenary being held in Vancouver, B C. for the following individuals:
for the support and attendance at the WG15 Sub Group Tech Editors slot and any additional slots where the Sub Group Tech Editors and/or WG15 are needing assistance w.r.t. draft preparation.
BR,
Clint
Clint Powell
Managing Director - Wireless IoT Standardization, PWC LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG Chair & 802 LMSC Executive Committee
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