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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAI] teleconference on Oct 30th, 2012



  Hi Gabor,

On 10/31/12 12:02 PM, "Gabor Bajko" <Gabor.Bajko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>I again apologize for folks who could not present in their scheduled
>timeslot, however I think we had a good discussion.
>We have actually not heard any disagreements to the analysis Rene
>presented; all of us may be in agreement with those points; it is just
>that the meeting participants expected some more details and normative
> text. Hopefully this is what Rene is going to bring to the San Antonio
>meeting.

  It's rarely safe to assume that silence means agreement. I, for instance,
do not agree with some of his points. Namely,

  - using binary curve K-283. There is IPR all over binary curves and it's
    much safer to use prime curves. I would resist any attempt to require
    a binary curve with 11ai. 802.11-2012 today expressly forbids the use
    of binary curves and I see no reason to change that for 11ai.
  - I also do not agree that this must be ECC only.
  - hashed public keys does not seem like as good an idea as just raw
public keys.
    An Internet-Draft is not a "scheme standardized with IETF", and I
don't 
    see how a "named information" URI is useful in this context.
  - Let me reiterate my disagreements, made over the phone on the
teleconference,
    with the whole "piggy-backed info" approach.

  The minutes from the last meeting in Palm Springs stated that if there
was
opposition to SIV that there be comment on the reflector about that
opposition
as well as suggested alternative text. We have seen neither of those.
Statements
of options, and expressing opinions regarding the relevance of the express
prohibitions on reused nonces that occur in the GCM, CCM, and OCB
specifications
are not opposition or alternative text.

  Furthermore, if there is some unwritten requirement to use NIST approved
cipher modes then we should use those algorithms correctly. Poo-pooing the
prohibitions that NIST makes on using these approved cipher modes renders
their "approved" use meaningless.

  Another comment on NIST. Can someone please show me the list of
NIST-approved
EAP methods? 802.11 uses EAP and if there is a requirement to use NIST
approved algorithms then, surely, there's a list of such EAP methods that
NIST approves of.

  regards,

  Dan.

> 
>We agreed not to have a telco with security related topics next week,
>because of the IETF meeting.
>So we¹ll continue the discussion in San Antonio.
>Don¹t forget the submission deadline, which is EOB on Nov 1st.
> 
>-         
>Gabor
> 
>From: *** 802.11 TGai - Fast Initial Link Set-Up ***
>[mailto:STDS-802-11-TGAI@xxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Bajko Gabor (Nokia-CIC/SiliconValley)
>Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:36 PM
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>Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGAI] teleconference on Oct 30th, 2012
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>
> 
>Here¹s the agenda for the TGai teleconference on October 30th, 2012, 6am
>pacific time:
> 
>Administrivia                      5 min
>12/1172r0 Rene                20 min
>12/1045r3 George/Dan 20 min
>12/1253r0 Dan                   10 min
>Next steps                          5 min
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>may be one hour earlier this week in a few countries.
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