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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] Next steps for TGbh (next call, Feb 21)



 

  I don't think I would characterize RRCM as simple. It's got quite a bit of extraneous stuff in it. Like the 128 bit seed which appears to be completely unnecessary. A 256-bit key and an HMAC-based KDF to produce a MAC address? That's overkill. I am sorry that I missed the straw polls on the last call (I was double booked and had to attend the other teleconference) but I definitely would not have voted for either of the RRCM variants. As an AP vendor I certainly would not like to be told to generate and store umpteen MAC addresses for each of the multitude of STAs that are associated to me. No thanks.

 

  I've been questioning the attraction of any 11bh solution for a STA vendor (and I still feel that way) but if RRCM is the 11bh solution then I would also question the attraction for AP vendors as well. We would likely produce a standard that no one wants to implement.

 

  regards,

 

  Dan.

 

--

"the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." – Marcus Aurelius

 

On 2/15/23, 5:27 PM, "Zhijie Yang (NSB)" <zhijie.yang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Hi Mark, all,

 

RRCM is a simple solution, while e-RRCM is a completely solution that can address all security concerns.

I can present 1079r8 including both RRCM and e-RRCM solution in next call, and then we make the final decision between them based on the group’s feedback.

 

Thanks

 

Best Regards

 

Jay Yang

 

From: mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 2023216 6:43
To: STDS-802-11-TGBH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Okan Mutgan (NSB) <okan.mutgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Zhijie Yang (NSB) <zhijie.yang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Next steps for TGbh (next call, Feb 21)

 

All,

 

Since the last meeting ran right up to the end time, we left things with this last Straw Poll result:

“Which of the following can you support in concept (perhaps after some technical clean-up) for inclusion into TGbh?”

·         IRMA - 6

·         RRCM - 13

·         e-RRCM - 14

 

I propose that we either:

1)      Run one more Straw Poll, between RRCM and e-RRCM

OR

2)      Request the authors of two contributions (RRCM and e-RRCM) to choose one to bring forward and/or combine them into one.  (There is obviously a lot of overlap/similarity between the two.)

 

Then, I will claim that we have completed the down-select process, as it was defined at the start, (“Stop when there’s one left, or when a few (2-3?) have 75% support”).

 

So, the next step is to see if there are any specific technical comments/clean-up needed on the [e-]RRCM proposal, and prepare to hold a motion to add it to the current draft.

 

@Mutgan, Okan (NSB - CN/Shanghai), Jay @Yang, Zhijie (NSB - CN/Shanghai):  Would you please suggest which of the options above you would like to advance?

 

@All, does anyone have specific technical comments ready/in mind for this/these proposals?  How much time do we need to get this ready for inclusion into the Draft?

 

Thanks.  Mark


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