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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] (2) [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Agenda Request: LB291 CR MAC NPCA various topics



Hi Matt,


Thanks for the response.

Please see the comment inline [shb].


Regards,

Seongho.


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Sender : Matthew Fischer <matthew.fischer@xxxxxxxxx> 

Date : 2026-03-06 03:04 (GMT+9)

Title : Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Agenda Request: LB291 CR MAC NPCA various topics



Seongho,


comments inline



On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 4:57 PM 변성호 <sh.byeon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Matt,


I truly appreciate your hard work in handling so many CIDs,

and have a couple of questions related to the CRD 26/0319 you just presented.


1. CID 5683: While I don't disagree with the decision on the CID (and respect your opinion),

but the lengthy explanation in the text ultimately converges on two cases for the valid TXOP observation mentioned in point c. of section 2):

one is NAVTimeout, and the other is BSRPNAVTimeout.

Therefore, I believe that the resolution, "the changes proposed do not make the language any simpler", is actually the opposite.


There are some complications in the timeout calculation regarding RXTIME. There are a couple of other CIDs and at least one other document surrounding this issue, so, there will be some other modifications for this paragraph. So the issue will remain open. Do not consider the text in 319r4/r5 to be the final version.

[shb] Of course! Without knowing what discussions are going on, I can only assume what I see is final :)



2. CID 5685: I agree with your decision to remove NPCA_START_TIMEOUT.

Based on this, I would ask your opinion to change the status of CID 5685 to "revised."


Sure - changed to revised in the next revision. 

[shb] Thanks!


3. CID 7153: There seems to be a mismatch. 

According to the sentence tagged with #7153, the NPCA STA is stronly recommended to avoid exceeding the NPCA_TIMER during frame exchange.

However, according to the _expression_ in subclause 37.15.5 (switching back operation), the non-AP STA needs to return to the BSS primary channel in accordance with the NPCA_TIMER expiration (shall operation),

which conflicts with the "should operation" in #7153. What are your thoughts on changing the _expression_ to a shall operation or modifying 37.15.5 to a should operation to achieve consistency?


I would not call it a problem of consistency or a conflict.

A STA that does not follow the recommendation will end up with a failed transmission.

So enforcement through a "shall" is not really required.


There are a number of members who prefer to keep it as a should because there are implementations which prepare a PPDU to fit into an expected TXOP duration. If the final available time for the TXOP does not meet those expectations, then those designs are not necessarily capable of modifying the PPDU parameters in time to fit the PPDU into the time that is available. So there are objections to changing the language.


[shb] All good. I agree that aligning the PPDU duration exactly to the remaining NPCA_TIMER in practice will be challenging. However, we have a Jekyll and Hyde:

1) loosely permits STAs to transmit beyond the NPCA_TIMER (though I acknowledge it will ultimately fail), AND

2) mandates STAs to return to the BSS primary channel upon NPCA_TIMER expiration.



Thanks again,

BRs,

Seongho.


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Sender : Matthew Fischer <matthew.fischer@xxxxxxxxx>

Date : 2026-02-06 13:50 (GMT+09:00)

Title : [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Agenda Request: LB291 CR MAC NPCA various topics

 


Alfred,


Please add the following documents to the MAC queue.


https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0318-00-00bn-lb291-cr-mac-npca-txformat.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0319-00-00bn-lb291-cr-mac-npca-easy.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0320-00-00bn-lb291-cr-mac-npca-secondary.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0321-00-00bn-lb291-cr-mac-npca-rxtime.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0324-01-00bn-lb291-cr-mac-npca-usec.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0325-00-00bn-lb291-cr-mac-npca-pedca.docx


Thank you.


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