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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] [GEN AdHoc] - CID 97 - basic rate set: and basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: definiition



--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector ---

Sean,

 

Ok, I can see that concern about a requirement in the definitions.

 

So, maybe bigger rewording is really what I’m after, to make it more clear that this is a key part of the operation of this feature.  Something like:

basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: A set of MCSs designated by the station (STA) that started the basic service set (BSS) and fixed for the lifetime of the BSS, which are supported for transmit and receive by all STAs that join the BSS. The basic MCS set is typically advertised in the physical layer (PHY) operation element(s), e.g. HT and VHT Operation elements. 

 

Mark

 

From: Sean Coffey <coffey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:47 AM
To: mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx; STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGM] [GEN AdHoc] - CID 97 - basic rate set: and basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: definiition

 

 

Mark,

 

Thanks.

 

It is tempting to write this, I agree. One reason not to do it is that “shall” statements are not normally included in definitions (I think—haven’t checked!). Another reason, which Mark R. and I discussed in detail in coming up with this joint proposal for a definition, is that wording it this way (“a STA … shall”) makes it sound as if this is a normative requirement on the STA. This in turn creates problems when there is a later statement to the effect that the AP does not have to include mandatory rates in the basic rate set. (“Mandatory rates” = “rates that the STA shall support”. “Basic rate set” = “rates that the STA shall support”. But “Basic rate set” is not the same as “mandatory rate set”. Hmmm.)

 

I’m thinking of putting together a short document giving the proposed background and a 5-10 sentence distillation of the discussion leading up to it.

 

Regards,

 

Sean

 

From: Mark Hamilton <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:53 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] [GEN AdHoc] - CID 97 - basic rate set: and basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: definiition

 

--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector ---

Thanks, Jon and Sean.

 

A minor suggestion (I think): Would it be better to describe the “basic … set” as the rates/MCSs that all STAs _must_ “be capable of …” before joining the BSS, rather than the passive (and assumptive) statement that all members of the BSS _are_ “capable of…”?

 

That is, I would word it as:

basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: A set of MCSs designated by the station (STA) that started the basic service set (BSS) and fixed for the lifetime of the BSS. The basic MCS set is typically advertised in the physical layer (PHY) operation element(s), e.g. HT and VHT Operation elements.  All STAs in a BSS are shall be capable of, or have signaled that they are capable of, receiving and transmitting at all MCSs in the basic MCS set, to join the BSS.

basic rate set: A set of data rates designated by the station (STA) that started the basic service set (BSS) and fixed for the lifetime of the BSS. The basic rate set is advertised in the Supported Rates and BSS Membership Selectors element and, if present, the Extended Supported Rates and BSS Membership Selectors element.  All STAs in a BSS are shall be capable of, or have signaled that they are capable of, receiving and transmitting at all rates in the basic rate set, to join the BSS.

 

Mark

 

From: Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:19 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGM] [GEN AdHoc] - CID 97 - basic rate set: and basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: definiition

 

--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector ---

Thanks to Sean Coffey for the heavy lifting on this CID.  After reviewing with others, I wanted to put this to the full TG for consideration.

Background Discussion from Sean:

Discussion:
A definition of the basic rate set (and ditto basic MCS set) is indeed needed, as currently the meaning is not explicitly defined.  There are several points to be clear on:
    The basic rate set is selected at BSS start (that is the only place where it can be passed over the MLME SAP) and hence is fixed for the lifetime of the BSS
    All STAs in the BSS are expected to support tx and rx of all rates in the basic rate set (though for Class 2 STAs this might not in fact be the case)
    There are requirements on APs and PCPs to deny association to STAs that don’t declare support for all the rates in the basic rate set (11.3.5.3/5), and ditto mesh STAs to deny mesh peering (10.6.4 and 14.3.6.2)
    The basic rate set is independent of the mandatory rates for the PHY of the STA that started the BSS (this is already specified).  Similarly, the operational rate set, already defined as “[the] set of data rates that a station (STA) is capable of receiving”, is independent of the mandatory rates of the STA

 

I have put the proposed resolution for CID 97 into the AdHoc Notes.

It is simply :

Proposed Resolution: Revised;
Add the following definitions in 3.2:

basic modulation and coding scheme (MCS) set: A set of MCSs designated by the station (STA) that started the basic service set (BSS) and fixed for the lifetime of the BSS. The basic MCS set is typically advertised in the physical layer (PHY) operation element(s), e.g. HT and VHT Operation elements.  All STAs in a BSS are capable of, or have signaled that they are capable of, receiving and transmitting at all MCSs in the basic MCS set.

basic rate set: A set of data rates designated by the station (STA) that started the basic service set (BSS) and fixed for the lifetime of the BSS. The basic rate set is advertised in the Supported Rates and BSS Membership Selectors element and, if present, the Extended Supported Rates and BSS Membership Selectors element.  All STAs in a BSS are capable of, or have signaled that they are capable of, receiving and transmitting at all rates in the basic rate set.

 

 

I have marked CID 97 as Review - we can discuss it on the Oct 29th Telecon (Thanks Michael for assigning an Agenda Time).

 

I will note that the original definitions from Sean had an extra sentence that has been removed as not necessary to the definition.

 

Feedback Welcome,

Jon

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