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Re: [STDS-802-11] Deprecation of PBSS (11me/D1.0 CID 1640)



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No one said anything specific to PBSS.
Is PBSS in your opinion ok to be marked deprecated?
Feedback requested.
Thanks,
Jon
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> there are products supporting these capabilities and those are being deployed in new devices. As an example, the Linux kernel mac80211 component has support for MBSS and there are number of drivers that support this capability and as far as I know, this is being used in deployed devices.

 

That of itself it no barrier to deprecation.  I think TKIP (probably

WEP too!) is still being deployed in some new devices, even though

it's deprecated.

 

> What does the "not being maintained" claim try to say here? MBSS has been extended to support VHT and HE both in the standard and in a deployed implementation.

 

Yes, the claim is certainly debatable.  However, my experience has been

that the pool of IBSS/PBSS/MBSS SMEs is very small, and so one can't

rely on the expertise being there and available to look into this or

that maintenance point.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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From: Jouni Malinen <jkmalinen@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 18 February 2022 15:11
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] Deprecation of IBSS, MBSS and/or PBSS (11me/D1.0 CIDs 1639, 1640 and 1641)

 

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Those comments do not seem to provide any real justification for deprecating IBSS, PBSS, or MBSS. It would be helpful to get some actual data to back up the claim/implication of no one caring about these.. And doing that is going to be quite challenging taken into account there are likely quite a few people who do care. In fact, there are products supporting these capabilities and those are being deployed in new devices. As an example, the Linux kernel mac80211 component has support for MBSS and there are number of drivers that support this capability and as far as I know, this is being used in deployed devices.

 

What does the "not being maintained" claim try to say here? MBSS has been extended to support VHT and HE both in the standard and in a deployed implementation.

 

- Jouni

 

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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11me/D1.0 CIDs 1639, 1640 and 1641 propose to mark IBSS, PBSS and MBSS

respectively as deprecated, on the basis that it is not clear anyone cares

about these modes of operation anymore, and that they are not being

maintained (or alternatively one could say the cost of maintaining

them is not worth it, or the expertise needed to maintain them is

lacking).

 

This thread is to solicit opinions on these proposals.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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