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Re: [802.21] [DNA] Prefix information for link identification in DNA



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Stefano: It is for sure above L2, do you agree?  

In one implementation it could be between L2 and L3 and in others above layer 2

On 9/30/2005 12:32 PM, stefano.faccin@nokia.com wrote:
Peretz, could it perhaps because you are giving a protocol-like interpretation to a generic functional model? An example: MIH communicates with L2, L3 and layers above L3. Also, MIH makes use of L3 transport services for 802.21 @ L3 and above. This makes it very difficult to call the MIH a protocol layer between L2 and L3. 
Stefano

  
-----Original Message-----
From: ext Peretz Feder [mailto:pfeder@lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:16
To: Faccin Stefano (Nokia-NRC/Dallas)
Cc: STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802.21] [DNA] Prefix information for link identification
in DNA




On 9/30/2005 9:14 AM, stefano.faccin@nokia.com wrote:

    
Peretz, I thought we had decided to get away from the 
      
thinking that MIH is "below" L3 and "above" L2, since this is 
anyway incorrect. 
    
This is not what Figure 1 shows in P802-21-D00-02.

    
I still think we hve both L2 PoAs and L3 PoAs, depending on 
      
the specific scenarios. Limiting the PoA to be at L2 is ... 
well, too limiting. For 802.21 @ L3, the PoA is of course @ 
L3 snce the very first location where the <MIHF in the UE can 
send e.g. an IS request is @ or beyond the subnet where the 
UE gets its own IP address.
    
Stefano

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From: ext Peretz Feder [mailto:pfeder@LUCENT.COM]
Sent: Fri 9/30/2005 7:42 AM
To: STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802.21] [DNA] Prefix information for link 
      
identification in DNA
    
Within the discussion of MIH services, which is below layer 
      
3, I would assume that MIH centric PoA should be below layer 3, no? 
    
This is the 802.21 reflector, correct? 

Once PoA L2 (or L2.5) is established between MIH on the UE 
      
and MIH in the 802.21 compliant PoA and MIH services provided 
thereof, we can discuss higher layers PoAs in relation to 
other relevant MIH elements that require L3 transport services.
    
Peretz Feder

On 9/30/2005 4:09 AM, Mike Moreton wrote:


	To extend (I think!) Stefano's point, before 
      
determining what the PoA is, you have first to be very clear 
about what you're attaching.  Just saying "the terminal" 
makes no sense, because different layers in the terminal's 
protocol stack attach to different places in the network.
    
	
	For example, the PHY layer attaches to the AP, but the 
      
TCP layer attaches to the destination host.
    
	
	Mike.
	
	  

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Stefano M. Faccin 
      
[mailto:stefano.faccin@NOKIA.COM] 
    
		Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:08 AM
		To: STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
		Subject: Re: [802.21] [DNA] Prefix information for link 
		identification in DNA
		
		
		Yoshihiro,
		I'm not sure why should restrict the term PoA 
      
to have only a 
    
		L2 meaning as you suggest below. I think we should 
		distinguish clearly between L2 PoA and L3 PoA. 
      
For me, the L3 
    
		PoA is where the terminal gets IP conenctivity. 
      
E.g. for GPRS 
    
		the L3 PoA is the IP link on which the GGSN is 
      
located. In 
    
		L2, PoA is the point where the access-specific 
      
L2 connection 
    
		terminates (e.g. an AP in 802.11).
		Stefano