All, I agree with Ogura-san. Abstain or negative means just not perfectly favor. If I completely support an idea I chose favor. But if I do not have confident, I chose others. Just it. I am wondering if the presentation on the cz website today violates the IEEE’s ground roles which our chair explais every time at the beginning. Thank you for your patient. Best regards, Shigeru Kobayashi From: Ichiro Ogura <i-ogura@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [802.3_OMEGA] What happened: Re: [802.3_OMEGA] Request for specific questions on straw polls of August 3rd All, I returned from my off-days and found Ruben's mail and presentation today, that is very surprising. I just answered to his straw polls and my name is listed in his presentation, saying, hey these people answered "no" to my questions. Also "abstain" is just "abstain" just because I am not confident to say "yes". Is it a violation to something? Ruben, Stop doing this. Bob, Is this allowed to list up people in the official presentation just because we say no (moreover just abstain)? I apologize if may saying violates IEEE rules because I'm not a native. Thank you. Ichiro On 2021/08/06 6:25, Rubén Pérez-Aranda wrote: Dear all, I reviewed the results of my straw polls of August 3rd 802.3cz AdHoc meeting, which have been published in the minutes. In general, I understand the abstains due to lack of expertise and the abstains for being neutral, provided that these abstains are not transformed with no reason in negative votes in the corresponding future motions. However, I do not understand abstains based on the necessity of more information, because every question asked during my contributions were answered by me, and for some of the baseline proposals even no questions were received. On the other hand, I did not receive any opposition against the proposals of BER test mode, loopback modes and EEE. I would like to understand the negative votes and solve the technical reasons behind. For the 50G PCS/PMA proposal, we had several discussions and additional contribution was presented by me giving answers to You should understand that is impossible for me to imagine which kind of information is missed by you if no questions The following participants are requested to send specific questions so that I can provide the additional information that is missed by abstainers and that is needed by negative voters to understand the proposals. I will be pleased to elaborate specific contributions to address the questions. Straw poll 1: BER test mode proposal - Abstains that need more information:
- Ichiro Ogura PETRA
- Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
- Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
- Tomohiro Kikuta Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel Co., Ltd.
- Nozomi Tsuzaki, Independent
- Hideki Isono Fujitsu Optical Components
- Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
Straw poll 2: Loopback modes proposal - Abstains that need more information:
- Ichiro Ogura PETRA
- Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
- Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
- Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
- Shigeru Kobayashi, AIO Core
- Hideki Isono Fujitsu Optical Components
Straw poll 3: EEE proposal - Abstains that need more information:
- Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
- Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
- Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
Straw poll 4: 50 Gb/s PCS/PMA proposal - Abstains that need more information:
- Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
- Michikazu Aono - Yazaki
- Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
- Yasuhiro Hyakutake, Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel
- Nobuyasu Araki YAZAKI
- Tomohiro Kikuta Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel Co., Ltd.
- Manabu Kagami - NITech
- Taiji Kondo, MegaChips
- Hideki Isono Fujitsu Optical Components
- Takehiro Hayashi HAT Lab - independent
- Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
- Shigeru Kobayashi, AIO Core
- Hideki Goto Toyota
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