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Re: [LinkSec] linksec roadmap




Dennis:

One problem with an architecture like this is removing a bad player.  It 
forces you to change the key that everyone is using, taking care to not 
give the bad player the new key too.  In a sizable group, this can take 
quite a long time.

Russ

At 10:59 AM 12/10/2002 -0800, Dennis Volpano wrote:


>On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Marcus Leech wrote:
>
> > The roadmap had me somewhat confused, and maybe it's because I don't really
> >   understand what the *application space* of VLANs is.  But it seems to me
> >   that a LAN segment with a group-shared key suffers from the same 
> problems as
> >   a completely unsecured LAN segment--I can spy on my neighbours, and forge
> >   traffic.  Having a single key that is shared among 500 of my nearest and
> >   dearest is like having no key at all.  Granted, I won't be able to forge
> >   traffic on a *different* VLAN, but that's only slightly better than 
> nothing
> >   at all.  But maybe that's not what Dennis intended?
> >
>
>In my trust model, group members trust each other because the group is
>a "security group", in the sense that it requires authentication to join.
>Once the group leader has taken the steps needed to be convinced
>that a station and perhaps its user is trustworthy, it may admit the
>station, depending on whether the station is authorized to join.
>
>Granted, a station may misbehave after being given membership, in
>which case group members are at *some* risk.  Precisely, they need only
>be at risk with respect to link layer integrity because stations can still
>take other steps at upper layers to protect privacy if they wish.  Limiting
>the consequences of the misbehavior to the group is the best one can do.
>
>Dennis
>
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