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I recommend that people look at the recent archive for the IETF SAAG list: http://jis.mit.edu/pipermail/saag For discussions on how the IETF might secure ARPs and other of their 2.5 stuff. Robert Moskowitz Senior Technical Director ICSA Labs, a division of TruSecure Corp. (248) 968-9809 Fax: (248) 968-2824 rgm@icaslabs.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit