Re: [802-LMSC] Request for fee waivers
Hi James,
I'm not sure I ever had a slide. I think I just had a way of listing the three different paths by which an individual can receive a 'fee waiver'. I've excerpted what I believe are the relevant rules below. I believe that Jon built on my approach in an email to the IEEE 802 LMSC in November 2023 <https://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/secmail/msg28787.html> to create the following format that I imagine Paul then used in his slides.
I believe this format distinguishes between: [1] a 'fee waiver' request that requires IEEE 802 LMSC Chair approval followed by an IEEE 802 LMSC vote at the IEEE 802 opening plenary meeting; [2] a 'fee waiver' request that requires IEEE 802 LMSC Chair approval; and [3] a 'fee waiver' that the Working Group Chair can grant.
While [2] and [3] do not require an IEEE 802 LMSC vote to approve, I believe that announcing them to the IEEE 802 LMSC reflector informs the IEEE 802 Executive Secretary and the meeting planners about who else has been granted fee waivers to avoid the situation where they could be recorded as deadbeats.
Best regards,
David
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[1] IEEE 802 LMSC fee waivers - full week
(IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group P&P, subclause 6.3)
IEEE 802.1:
IEEE 802.3:
IEEE 802.11:
IEEE 802.15:
IEEE 802.18:
IEEE 802.19:
IEEE 802.24:
[2] Invited officers of other SDOs - full week
(IEEE 802 LMSC Chair's guidelines, Subclause 4.1, item 9)
IEEE 802.1:
IEEE 802.3:
IEEE 802.11:
IEEE 802.15:
IEEE 802.18:
IEEE 802.19:
IEEE 802.24:
[3] Working Group Chair designated individuals limited to specific topics - single meeting
(IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manual, Clause 5)
IEEE 802.1:
IEEE 802.3:
IEEE 802.11:
IEEE 802.15:
IEEE 802.18:
IEEE 802.19:
IEEE 802.24:
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[1] Plenary session fee waiver granted by the IEEE 802 LMSC to an individual invited by an IEEE 802 LMSC member
Subclause 4.1 'Registration Fees' item (6 and (8) of the IEEE 802 LMSC Chair's guidelines
URL: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0120-33-0PNP-ieee-802-lmsc-chairs-guidelines.pdf#page=19>
6) Invited (by members of the LMSC) guests who attend meetings for a specific purpose that is of value to general attendees (e.g., to provide a tutorial presentation) should be exempt from the meeting fee. Invited guests who do not pay a meeting fee are welcome to observe various sessions of IEEE 802. However, as guests they may not vote in Working Group meetings during that session and their attendance will not be counted toward building or maintaining voting membership in any Working Group. Guests should register to receive a name badge. Note that observers are allowed to comment on Working Group documents.
8) For plenary sessions, the Standards Committee Chair will have the responsibility to review and approve the above exceptions (total limited to ten individuals per session) and provide a list of these exempt people to the Executive Secretary before the session and obtain LMSC confirmation at the Monday LMSC meeting of a plenary session.
[2] Plenary session fee waiver granted by the IEEE 802 LMSC Chair to an officer of another SDO
Subclause 4.1 'Registration Fees' item (9) of the IEEE 802 LMSC Chair's guidelines
URL: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0120-33-0PNP-ieee-802-lmsc-chairs-guidelines.pdf#page=19>
9) In addition to the previously mentioned 10 waivers, the Standards Committee Chair may rarely grant meeting fee waivers for invited officers of other SDOs who do not regularly attend IEEE 802 meetings. The purpose of the waiver is to provide an opportunity for the individual to observe how IEEE 802 operates and to meet the IEEE 802 leadership. Attendance at the meeting doesn't count toward establishing voting membership. The meeting fee waiver privilege is not intended to permit the individual to participate in project work. Reciprocal treatment should be encouraged.
[3] Attend via electronic means an in-person Working Group meeting during a plenary session for a specific technical topic by permission of the Working Group Chair
Clause 5 'IEEE 802 LMSC sessions' of IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manual
URL: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0090-26-0PNP-ieee-802-lmsc-operations-manual.pdf#page=11>
The Working Group Chair may designate specific individual experts who are allowed to participate in Working Group discussions via electronic means during an in-person meeting for the benefit of the group. These individuals are not considered to be attending the meeting and so they are not required to pay meeting fees and they do not get participation credit. The participation of these individuals should be limited to specific technical topics. Such participation shall be documented in the minutes of the Working Group meeting.
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From: ** IEEE 802 LAN-MAN Standards Committee ** <STDS-802-LMSC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: 30 January 2025 13:30
To: STDS-802-LMSC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802-LMSC] Request for fee waivers
David
Can you forward me the slide you used?
Jon
I will have the list of fee waivers in my opening deck. But I think it makes sense to request and approve these before the meeting. Ideally, it would have been before the early bird date.
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James Gilb
IEEE 802 LMSC Chair
Jan 30, 2025, 5:25 AM by jdambrosia@xxxxxxxxx:
> I’ll be happy to just list fee waivers and leave it to James to put in deck
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> On Jan 30, 2025, at 8:15 AM, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> John,
>> Having all the fee waivers together makes it easier to track for deadbeat processing.
>> If the Meeting Planners do not know of a waiver, they may send notice that does not need to go.
>> David Law had a great format, that one one page would have all three types of waivers.
>> Having it in the James (LMSC Chair) deck makes it easier to track.
>> FWIW,
>> Jon
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>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 5:03 AM John D'Ambrosia <>> jdambrosia@xxxxxxxxx>> > wrote:
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>>> Edward
>>> Please clarify if you need to provide waiver for helping with agenda
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jan 30, 2025, at 4:19 AM, James P. K. Gilb <>>> 00002e97ee634fdf-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Edward
>>> >
>>> > You can consider him as a technical expert and so you can allow electronic participation. If he attends in-person, then we would need a fee waiver.
>>> >
>>> > From 5. IEEE 802 LMSC sessions in the IEEE 802 LMSC Operations manual:
>>> >
>>> > "The Working Group Chair may designate specific individual experts who are allowed to
>>> > participate in Working Group discussions via electronic means during an in-person meeting for
>>> > the benefit of the group. These individuals are not considered to be attending the meeting and so
>>> > they are not required to pay meeting fees and they do not get participation credit. The
>>> > participation of these individuals should be limited to specific technical topics. Such participation
>>> > shall be documented in the minutes of the Working Group meeting."
>>> >
>>> > and in section 1:
>>> > "Unless otherwise stated, the term Working Group indicates both IEEE 802 LMSC Working
>>> > Groups as well as IEEE 802 LMSC Technical Advisory Groups."
>>> >
>>> > You are the TAG chair so you can allow his participation.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > James Gilb
>>> > IEEE 802 LMSC Chair
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jan 29, 2025, 8:39 AM by >>> edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>>> :
>>> >
>>> >> Dear James,
>>> >>
>>> >> For IEEE 802.18, I will have Mr. Yan Losier (A/Director, Engineering, Planning and Standards Branch, Department of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada / Government of Canada) deliver an invited presentation at the opening meeting (Tuesday AM2) . If I may, I will consider Mr. Losier as a designated expert for a fee waiver, and his attendance is limited to Tuesday AM2 in which the respective presentation is scheduled.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please kindly advise.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Edward
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 10:51 AM James P. K. Gilb <> >>> 00002e97ee634fdf-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> > > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> All
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have received updates from a couple of the people on the list.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am going to be asking for fee waivers for only 2 people then.
>>> >>> Robby Robson
>>> >>> Sarah Womer
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> James Gilb
>>> >>> IEEE 802 LMSC Chair
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jan 29, 2025, 12:04 AM by >> >>> gilb_ieee@xxxxxxxx>>> >> :
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> All
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On the February call, i am going to ask for approval for fee waivers for the following individuals for the March Plenary meeting:
>>> >>>> Robby Robson
>>> >>>> Sarah Womer
>>> >>>> Kent Lusted
>>> >>>> Josh Gay
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> They are going to be presenting a tutorial on IEEE SA Open Source.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> James Gilb
>>> >>>> IEEE 802 LMSC Chair
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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